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Boy Scout Hill Restaurant Is Dead

Lyle Burgin and Rick Kopf have pulled the plug on the restaurant they wanted to build on White Rock Lake. Through their PR firm, they issued the following quote:

“We both firmly believe that the concept would be an excellent amenity for all of the citizens of Dallas, but the present time is not the right time. We thank all of the individuals and groups that have voiced their support. And we will see you at the lake!”

Eric attended a very contentious public meeting Tuesday night, which I suspect is what killed this deal (not Eric’s attendance but rather the tenor of the meeting). Eric will be along shortly to give us some thoughts. Surely.

  • brent

    Ha, that was easy.

  • DDD

    Putting a restaurant on White Rock Lake was kind of like the idea of tearing down I-345. Never going to happen. Of course I thought the same thing when the idea of building a bridge to nowhere was first brought up.

  • Tim Rogers

    It was easy because Burgin and Kopf are exactly who they say they are: two guys who wanted to have a beer at a restaurant that overlooks the lake. They are not — as some in the neighborhoods around the lake painted them — callous, money-grubbing speculators who had politicians in their pockets and were going to build this joint no matter what the neighbors thought. No, once they got a TON of negative feedback, they listened to it and backed off.

  • Greg Brown

    This was civic engagement at it’s finest. The anger voiced by participants was in direct proportion to the ineptness of both the proposal and presentation. This episode I hope will encourage more linking and communication with our fellow neighborhood associations and lake advocacy groups so that silly proposals like this don’t have to get laughed out of town in the first place.

  • Greg Brown

    This was civic engagement at its finest. The anger voiced by participants was in direct proportion to the ineptness of both the proposal and presentation. This episode I hope will encourage more linking and communication with our fellow neighborhood associations and lake advocacy groups so that silly proposals like this don’t have to get laughed out of town in the first place.

  • Oak Cliff Townie

    For now ?
    This is Dallas, Taking ones Lumps and just going home isn’t the way things are done here.

  • Greg Brown

    They can have a beer at a restaurant overlooking the lake. There is plenty of property around to build their restaurant on private land. Let them put up their money and take their risks, not leave the risk to the city and taxpayers.

  • Alexander

    I dunno, Burgin was also part of Museum Tower. I think that’s a pretty “money-grubbing” resume.

  • Johnyalamo

    If they would have pulled it off, I’m sure I would have had a beer at a restaurant on the lake as well. But the idea is a pandora’s box. The next developer might want a bank at Dixon Branch, or a Condoms to Go at the Bath House. Eeew!

  • Eric Celeste

    So confused. I thought I was supposed to put my thoughts in the column. But here’s a bit of a preview:

    1. I knew this was dead 10 minutes before the meeting started. It was that angry up in that piece. (No disrespect to Lakewood Baptist. Hallowed by thy name, etc.) No council member was going to go against that sweet old labrador Sheffie Kadane on this issue (why would they? where was the upside?), and he wasn’t going to go against the wishes of his constituents, so there was never any chance it would get far.

    2. At said meeting, I hugged it out with the homeowner with whom I’d engaged in a semi-yelling match about an hour earlier. So that felt good.

    3. I know everyone thinks this is a victory for civic engagement. I … have other thoughts. I do, however, think most of the homeowners in the Lakewood area have a second career as conspiracy theorists or Dallas Observer commenters locked down.

    4. I think Lyle and Rick were sincere. I think no one at that meeting was prepared to listen to any reasonable statement that came out of their mouths, and they realized it would be like that going forward. (Well, one guy was. Upon entering, when he was asked if he would join most everyone else and wear a green ribbon to “support the lake,” he asked aloud, “What do I wear to show an open mind?”)

    5. I think it’s probably good that the deal is dead, but probably not for the reasons you think I think.

  • Greg Brown

    I’m looking forward to your thoughts and opinions.

  • Tim Rogers

    Your ignorant of the history of Museum Tower.

  • Tim Rogers

    I, too, look forward to them. He’s only about two days late with his copy.

  • Alexander

    Gee thanks. I only know what I read here.

  • Merrill Stubing

    Tim, how do you know these developers to make a judgement about their credibility? Are you friends with them? Do you do business with their firm? Also, who was their PR firm?

  • Greg Brown

    Well, D Mag is a MONTHLY publication.

  • Greg Brown

    Thank you, Tim, for your support of your advertisers.

  • Eric Celeste

    So I was supposed to turn it in BEFORE the meeting?

  • Greg Brown

    Schutze at least apologized for not being there, but he could still put out some copy.

  • Nick

    So Lyle Burgin is a good guy because he’s a past advertiser and his industry is critical to your company’s revenues? Full disclosure, please!

    I am troubled that your magazine will champion any commercial real estate initiative. You were less dangerous when you were the patron of residential real estate. (ie before 2008 and the Ellen Mowery Sheets cover story.)

  • AmyS

    This makes me happy. No blows to forgive, just an idea that didn’t pan out with the neighborhood. It has caused me and the Mr. to visit WRL twice in the last two days. A little reminiscence and a little making out never hurt nobody.

  • Tim Rogers

    Fair questions. I’ve had lunch with Burgin and Kopf to talk about their plans. I believe I’ve revealed that earlier. I am not friends with them. Our families do not vacation together. I don’t do business. I’m a stupid writer who never learned how to do “business.” They hired Sarah Dodd to send out the message that they were giving up. Which is crazy, because, as I’ve told you, I ate lunch with the guys. They have my email address. They could have spread their message without the aid of a PR firm.

  • Tim Rogers

    Help me understand your conspiracy theory.

  • Tim Rogers

    Burgin was a past advertiser? That’s news to me. Really, I don’t pay attention to who buys ads. You recall this story?

    http://www.dmagazine.com/publications/d-magazine/2012/may/museum-tower-the-towering-inferno

    So what’s the deal? We are working for Burgin? I don’t understand.

  • Greg Brown

    There is no conspiracy. I am not friends with them. Our families do not vacation together. I don’t do business. I’m a stupid nurse who never learned how to do “business.” But I can understand a plan that puts all of the reward with the developers and all of the risk with the city. Heck, I would propose it too if I was in their shoes, knowing full well that the City will happily change the rules given sufficient grease. I do find it fascinating that this Blog revels in revealing corruption and stupidity in the halls of our government, but when the light is shown the developers that drive that very corruption and stupidity, then it’s ” whoa whoa, these are nice guys just trying to do what’s right!” This is why I chuckle every time I see you go after the DMN for being bed with The Man. Take a good look under your own sheets.

  • Greg Brown

    There is no conspiracy. I am not friends with them. Our families do not vacation together. I don’t do business. I’m a stupid nurse who never learned how to do “business.” But I can understand a plan that puts all of the reward with the developers and all of the risk with the city. Heck, I would propose it too if I was in their shoes, knowing full well that the City will happily change the rules given sufficient grease. I do find it fascinating that this Blog revels in revealing corruption and stupidity in the halls of our government, but when the light is shown on the developers that drive that very corruption and stupidity, then it’s ” whoa whoa, these are nice guys just trying to do what’s right!” This is why I chuckle every time I see you go after the DMN for being in bed with The Man. Take a good look under your own sheets.

  • Eric Celeste

    THE PIECES ALL FIT! THE SEVENTH SEAL IS BROKEN! ADMIT IT, ROGERS!

  • Greg Brown

    I have seen references to “conspiracy theorists” from your other journalists as well. This blog has multiple ongoing stories about corruption and various private and public officials conspiring to break rules, codes, laws, etc. This blog presents suppositions with minimal facts about malfeasance amongst our government and private industries. This blog perpetuates numerous conspiracy theories. But they are perpetuated by journalists, so it is called “investigative journalism.” Then you ask for input from your readers and they give you their opinion, and using the information we glean from this blog and other sources we make our own suppositions, with minimal facts. But we are not journalists so therefore we are termed conspiracy theorists. You have the ability to turn off the comments at any time, to remove the anonymity of commenters, or in one way or another make this a more accountable and mature forum. Or you can just take the easy way out and criticize us for engaging in your forum by the rules you set. Nice work if you can get it.

  • Johnyalamo

    ” I do, however, think most of the homeowners in the Lakewood area have a second career as conspiracy theorists or Dallas Observer commenters locked down.”
    I have a home AND a business near the lake and am no conspiracy theorist. I can understand how one would think that the people around this area a resistant to any kind of change. One could cite the Emerald Isle proposal, the Arboretum proposal, and this as proof. But I feel the people are open to sensible change. At one time there was not a continuous path around the lake. There was no bridge parallel to Mockingbird. There was no Dog Park. There was no resistance on the new spillway plans. People around here are quite open to change that enhances what is there and accessible to everyone. And as a result the whole park is a joy (as opposed to when I was younger and particularly the east side was a syringe and body dump). I think people here would be open to private investment to the park if the proposals were not so radically abrasive to the existing natural beauty as well as planned as something exclusive for paying patrons. I’d have pushed for that restaurant too if everyone could eat for free.

    There are the old snack stands that could use some revitalizing, the old boat house, heck, rebuild the fish hatchery for the kids and maybe the Dreyfuss club as a pit stop. The great view off the deck at pump house is underutilized.

    Work with what is already there because small enhancements have huge effects on the lake. Its not necessary to go big and bold at White Rock Lake.

  • Greg Brown

    I have seen references to “conspiracy theorists” from your other journalists as well. This blog has multiple ongoing stories about corruption and various private and public officials conspiring to break rules, codes, laws, etc. This blog presents suppositions with minimal facts about malfeasance amongst our government and private industries. This blog perpetuates numerous conspiracy theories. But they are perpetuated by journalists, so it is called “investigative journalism.” Then you ask for input from your readers and they give you their opinion, and using the information we glean from this blog and other sources we make our own suppositions, with minimal facts. But we are not journalists so therefore we are termed conspiracy theorists. You have the ability to turn off the comments at any time, to remove the anonymity of commenters, or in one way or another make this a more accountable and mature forum. Or you can just take the easy way out and criticize us for engaging in your forum by the rules you set. Nice work if you can get it.

  • Brett Moore

    Educate, Tim.

  • Greg Brown

    How’s that thoughtful, insightful, albeit late, review of the Boy Scout Hill meeting coming along? It would a great end-of-week piece for sure.

  • Brett Moore

    With all due respect to Tim, you describe a level of intellectual nefariousness the likes of which I doubt Tim is capable.