Kay Granger Feeling the Heat
She should. As a loyal acolyte of Jerry Lewis (R., Ca.), the often-investigated-but-never-indicted former chairman of the House Appropriations Committee, Granger never saw a spending bill or an earmark she didn’t like while the GOP ran Congress. Now, of course, she’s a reincarnated fiscal conservative. But ‘better late than never’ may not be the best slogan for next year’s Republican primary.
On Friday, engineer and energy-company owner Mike Brasovan filed against her. I talked with Brasovan a couple of weeks ago when I heard he was considering the race. Why is he running? “She’s a pork-barrel spender. Never in 13 years has she offered any leadership on the things that count.” Brasovan says he’s been considering the race for “4 or 5 years” as he watched Granger’s performance. He figures that his grass-roots support will mean he’ll only need a half million or so to win the race.
Is that realistic? Can a tea-partier with no political experience knock off an established incumbent? Today’s poll from Rasmussen seems to indicate it’s doable.
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It is going to be a real challenge for him. As more and more people become familiar with him, and his unethical practices they will most likely return to the other candidate, or not vote at all. It is definitely the right time, but unfortunately for Mr. Brasovan, the wrong candidate. he is already much too pleased with himself, and while he is gaining some endorsements, he still has the same old folks (about10) running their legs off for his campaign, while his own family goes on with their horse shows, and whatever.
Perhaps if you really feel Mr. Brasovan is not right for the job and you really believe this is the “right time” to find a replacement for the incumbent, you should consider running yourself. It is time for action, and sideline prose will not change anything. Can Mr Brasovan be worse than the incumbent, if so you owe it to yourself and those you love to put up a challenge. Don’t just knock him, and his lifestyle. ACT IN A POSITIVE WAY.
Kaye’s comments seem quite silly to me. I’ve met Mike and heard him speak on several occassions. He’s a very good speaker – and each time I’ve heard him he had different staff and volunteers with him. On at least two occassions he had his lovely wife and children with him as well. I’ve seen his signs all over Tarrant and Parker County and the people I’ve spoken to all had the highest regard for him. He is a strong Christian man who would not have any kind of ethical violations.
Kaye has a personal vendetta against Mike because her son worked for the Mike Brasovan campaign and could not handle the job and all the responsibilities that came with it.
I know Kaye and her son and I think if she is going to talk about ethics problems it would be “the pot calling the kettle black” I have had some ethical issues with both Kaye and her son personally and suggest she stop pointing fingers and start working on her own issues.
I know Mike Brasovan to be a wonderful person and a solid Christian with great values and personal integrity.
Wick,
You are off-base on this one. Kay will never go down in Fort Worth. NEVER! She is the city’s most popular elected official… even more so than Mayor Moncrief. Why? As long as Lockheed Martin continues to build the F-35, a contract that she proudly lobbied for, she’ll have the base she needs to knock off any opponent.
I truly believe that all of you are entitled to your opinions. This is, after all the great country of America. Some will win, and some will lose, but there is no need for petty personal “specific ” remarks. It does however demonstrate the kind of unethical issues I am talking about. You should not speak of things you do not know. It is not helpful to anyone, but does demonstrate the level of dirty politics that some campaigns attract.
Kaye,
Maybe you would like to provide details of the unethical practices? It seems to me that you are being quite the hypocrite when you say that there is no need for petty personal “specific” remarks. After all, you started this with what appear to be petty personal “specific” remarks – you attacked Mike, you attacked his staff and volunteers and you even attacked his family. It also looks like, from other remarks that you are really on here defending your son because he was fired from a job that he couldn’t handle. How old is he anyway? Why isn’t he here rather than having mommy dearest fight for him?
Dillon, thanks for your post. You are absolutely correct that the first post smacks of hypocrisy. How else do you begin the political debate on an important race like the congressional seat? You have however, demonstrated that this campaign is not about the issues,and your candidate’s qualifications, but about those petty remarks and accusations. As a former county volunteer coordinator for Mike, until I quit, I was privy to much you know nothing about. Again, you should not speak of things you know nothing about. Mike Brasovan’s campaign cannot handle any criticism, something that is absolutely necessary for an office of this importance. As demonstrated here, sooner or later all the rats will come out for the cheese.
Kaye,
The only rat here is you. It’s obvious you have a personal beef with Mike because of your son. You make petty accusations without anything substantive to back them up. You then accuse those of us defending Mike of being petty. When asked to provide details you dodge the question. If you are privy to so much information please share it here or stop making accusations you won’t prove. As for handling criticism, the campaign seems to be doing just fine. There are certainly more people here defending Mike than there are railing against him – why is that? How did I demonstrate that the “campaign is not about the issues,and your candidate’s qualifications, but about those petty remarks and accusations”? How do you begin the debate on a congressional race without the kind of hypocrisy you exhibit? Simply by stating facts rather than making wild accusations you can’t or won’t substantiate. You should try that if you have anything “real” to say that isn’t about your’s and your son’s personal beef with Mike.
Dillon,again you are absolutely correct. I am a rat, the biggest rat I might add, as I jumped ship very early on in the game. Let’s just say for the record that ALL of this is just my opinion….last time I checked I was entitled to that. Let’s also just say that my opinion is based on my experience. And I salute your dedication to your candidate’s campaign. You are not however qualified to speak about what you don’t know, but none the less you have every right to debate, defend, or whatever you believe in. And that is really the essence of the issue. We fight for what we beleive in, based on our experiences. We do not agree on the ethics of this candidate. The rest is up to the population of the 12th congressional district. I expect you will respect my right to express my opinion
Mrs. Boyer,
Thank you for the information. I am going to dig a little more and find out about the inner workings of his campaign.
Yours truly,
No fan of Brasovan! Those who oppose Mike say it loud NO FAN OF BRASOVAN!
Why are people upset about Mrs. Boyer’s stating her opinion? She has the right to voice her thoughts about the man. He is running for office. Afterall she has insider information and I doubt many of you do. He’s not a saint or a real politician he’s an empty suit.
Censoring much? I see my comment was deleted. Too honest for you? Brasovan will never win because he has nothing to offer. The End
The problem is that she refuses to share this so called “insider information”. She keeps talking about ethics and making accusations but says nothing – basically a lot of hot air. She says she has “experience” but offers nothing. Her fake humility is ridiculous and over the top. If she has information and she cares about this district then she needs to share it if she can.
As for “Don’t Mess with Texas Mike Brasovan”, why are you afraid to use your real name?
Dillon,
Why would anyone with a brain use their real name on this type of site should be the question. I will offer you this, I’m a district 12 voter and can tell you firsthand many don’t support Mike Brasovan. They think he’s weak and has never shown an inkling of real leadership.
This is key and you said it “If she has information and she cares about this district then she needs to share it if she can”. If she can is right. What she needs is people to back her up and then once she has the support of people who witnessed the same things she has then she can talk. She’s being smart and got the discussion started.
He has no experience Dillon, no real solutions, no charisma. What do you have to say about his total lack of political experience? Be honest. During these hard times when we need real leaders to come forward. So what that he’s a conservative, many people in district 12 are, but a strong leader? What does he bring to the table to beat Kay that others don’t have? Nothing! I’ve looked at his site and have heard him speak, he sounds empty. This is my opinion. He will never win because as I stated before he offers nothing.
I see Mr. Dillon that you do not respect my right to have a differing opinion than yours. In that event you can be catalogued as a democrat. This is their forte. Silence any differing opinion by ad hominem attacks and false information you are counting on as the truth. You have no idea what you are talking about, but you have made a very strong statement when you refuse others the respect of their opinion. We are done Mr. Schultz.
Lynette McCracken,
Why did Mike Brasovan hire the young lad to run his campaign if he couldn’t handle the duties, as you state? There is a missing link somewhere in your arguement. If he hired him and knew he had no experience to handle the duties then that shows very weak leadership on Mikes behalf. Something isn’t fitting and I am going to find out what it is. Thanks for peaking my curiosity.
No Kaye, we are not done. How exactly am I not respecting your right to have a different opinion? Is it because I asked you to provide facts? Or is it because I think you have no real facts to offer. See, the problem is you have made a very serious accusation. That accusation was not simply your opinion of Mike Brasovan. Based on that accusation and without any facts to substantiate it you have committed a serious crime – it’s called libel. Are you prepared to back up your accusation (not opinion) that there have been ethical violations? Or are you retracting your accusation and now saying that in your opinion, as the mother of a fired employee, that Mike is not an ideal candidate? If you maintain your accusation then you need to provide details, not wait as the coward with no name implies you should. If however you are simply stating your opinion, as the mother of a fired employee, then yes you have the right to your opinion. You do not however, have the right to make unsubstantiated accusations. That is libel and comes with some very stiff penalties. Are you really wanting that?
Coward with no name,
How exactly do you intend to “find out”? Are you an investigator?
Dillon
Resorting to name calling. What a joke. I notice you didn’t care to answer my questions. That’s very cowardly of you.
Sir I don’t owe you anything. I can investigate any candidate I wish when they seek office and I need all the facts to make the right decision. Brasovan is the wrong candidate and he will never beat Kay. EVER.
I’ll keep questioning and looking into candidates backgrounds and you can keep living in a bubble.
Dillon, yes, we are finished, but not before you convinced me that it is necessary for me to make public the indicting information that I have. I will decide when, where and how it is done. You obviously don’t know my reputation. I don’t play
Though I am loathe to do so it would appear I am forced to make a statement since I have been unwillingly dragged into this conversation. I have kept a low profile and only talked about this situation to very close friends of mine, because there is a time and a place to reveal insider information and I am not called to do so at this time. Some folks have enough tact not to discuss specific ethical issues on random blog message boards. As for Lynette’s comments it is ironic when a person with a personal vendetta accuses someone of having a personal vendetta, followed by personal attacks and libelous claims… But I hold no grudge.
Next, I must address Dillon Shultz’s points. How in the world is anyone supposed to believe you are Dillon Shultz? Just using that name doesn’t mean we have any way of knowing that’s who you are. Accusing someone of being a coward for not using their real name on the internet is like calling someone a coward for wearing their seat belt. Next you are making the exact same claims you say you hold someone libel for against me… Would you like me to hold you accountable for your misconduct? I did not post anything in this thread and yet you are throwing my character around like you know me. You took the word of a random person on the internet that I could or could not do something and made assumptions, this is foolish. Your arguments are poorly constructed, your logic is wantonly flawed, and you seem to have a poor grasp of manners. I do not hold any grudge against you either but your behavior has been at best, poor. If you are a stand up guy you would apologize for making accusations about me based on hearsay and conjecture.
Oh and one last thing, I quit for ethical reasons. I was not fired. Thanks for your time.
This is rich. A small business owner wants to battle it out in congress for the people of district 12 but can’t keep the peace or work with people in his own campaign? It’s obvious Brasovan can’t handle small issues, yet he wants to handle a congressional seat? The Democrats would eat him alive. This is a no chance candidate. Next!
Andy,
I see no proof from you or your mommy that the accusations you have made are founded. It’s amazing that you think we are stupid enough to simply take your word for it. You want us to believe that you and mommy (random people on the internet) are innocent of any fault in the matter based solely on your entries in blog comments? Hardly. And your false humility about being unwillingly drug into this reaks of arrogance. I also do not care if you hold a grudge or not – keep your phoniness for someone who cares.
Why is it ok for you and mommy to attack on a professional AND personal level? You sound like democrats who want to attack someone but respond with “how dare you fight back”. Childish and immature. You want to make libelous accusations then back them up or save them a face to face encounter.
Dillon, this will be my only response to you. It’s just advice, take it or leave it. Your behavior is not only detrimental to your arguement but your support of Mike as well. Just take a breath and let it go.
All due respect, I personally know the Boyers. It seems to me that they comprehend the importance of tact more than the majority of commentators on this article. And David C., I am in complete concurrence with your assessment of his issue management. It’s refreshing to see others that can actually see beyond their own obsession.
This is the funniest thread I’ve ever seen. Mr Shultz are you Brasovan? If not you have issues. Step away from the computer and get some air. Mrs Boyer and Mr Boyer if you indeed have information that helps voters make the right decision about this candidate I personally want to be privy to it. This is important. Perhaps you can write an open letter or hold a press conference. Many people are running for office to challenge incumbents due to the political climate and they know they aren’t qualified. If there are ethical issues, us voters have the right to know. We can’t allow candidates to exploit voters.
And for all intensive purposes sake, let me ask a rhetorical question. How many of the commentators that support Mike have actual personal experience with him and how many are simply and rather ignorantly quoting his mission statement? Oh, nevermind, I already know the answer to that….all due respect.
Dillon, I love this idea of a face to face encounter! Count on it!
First, no I am not Brasovan.
Second, C. Whitmore – was it tactful for Kaye to post a comment on this page about ethical problems without any apparent intent to offer proof? Or was that her attempt to stir things up? And how do you know how much personal experience any of Mike’s supporters have with him? Can you read minds? Oh, never mind, I already know the answer to that….all due respect.
Third, Don’t Mess… & David C. – You have obviously never run a campaign nor have you ever owned a small business. No one can have perfect relationships with every employee or staff member. And no one cal tell the future and know if an individual will make a good employee or not.
All I want is something to prove the accusation that Kaye made. We see disgruntled employees, staff and volunteers everyday who jump on the internet, make a wild accusation and then insult everyone who disagrees but never offer proof – all they have is “I will decide when, where and how it is done.”
The childish one was the one who chose to post initially something that might get attention. Unfortunately it worked – but I doubt it will go any further. If the Boyer’s had any proof they would have already offered it.
In the times we are in, everyone needs to be warned if someone is not who they say they are, especially if that individual plans to hold political office. Some people, like Kaye, have enough tact to provide that warning, yet allow people to do their own research and formulate their own opinions instead of feeding people information that turns them into mindless followers, gullibility perpetuating their every move and word and decision. Hmmm, more tact than a politician…
Besides, what makes Mike’s claims any more credible than the Boyers’ assertions? Oh, because he claims he isn’t a politician, that like Andrew said concerning his entering the discussion, he didn’t have a choice but get involved, and that he’s just some engineer that doesn’t even want to be involved. Hmmm. Interesting isn’t it, that you call Andrew’s claims arrogant while Mike is making those same statements…
Dillon calm down. This behavior is ridiculous. You have tried to insult every poster on this thread who doesn’t support Mike Brasovan. I went to look at his site and he sounds typical. Actually the site is nothing more than rambling from what I read. His slogan is laughable now that I’ve read his rhetoric filled campaign site that lacks any real solutions. Ha!
It seems you want to bait the Boyers to reveal information on the Internet so you can hand it over to the Brasovan campaign. I’m glad the Boyers are smarter than you.
Ok, let me tell you about the Mike Brasovan I know ….A 14 year old girl at my church( which Mike does not attend) died this past week. Her family had no money to pay for the funeral or the funeral home. I posted about this on my face book .Mike contacted me after he called my church and got a full voice mail box message or I would not have known about the $500 he donated to my church to help out this family in their time of need. If you want to check this out contact Legacy Worship Ctr. I know Mike would not like the fact that I am saying anything about this because he is a humble man that had nothing to gain by doing this. I can tell you Mike is successful in business and in life. He has a wonderful wife that home schools and has polite, respectful children. He walks the walk.
I was one who was involved in an attempted mediation between Mike and Andrew as a personal favor to them both. I learned the hard way that Andrew has no respect for authority and has questionable morals and ethics in my opinion (only when they suit him) . Andrews pursuit of my 17 year old daughter with his mothers full support of that attempted relationship should cause anyone great concern. I took Andrew into my family and my church and he betrayed me and my friendship.I will never blindly trust anyone again no matter how great they claim to be!
Andrew,to address your comment about my personal vendetta? I forgive you but I pray we never cross the same path again!
I think everyone has a right to opinions but I think when Kaye makes blanket statements and makes personal attacks on anyone or their family she should be prepared to take the log out of her own eye before trying to pick splinters if you get my drift… but you know what they say
about opinions? I would hate for it to get any more ugly
on here then it has already! Lets not go there …
Dillon,
I would love for you to contact me on facebook . I am done with this conversation here
I suspect the don’t mess with Tx Mike brasovan is either Andrew or his Daddy . There is no reasoning with these people. Kay said it her self she has a nasty reputation and does not play . I do not either especially when it comes to my family! I can’t understand why the Boyer’s would show up at the Tea Party meeting that I am communications for unless they like poking a bear with a stick! Fool me once shame on you fool me twice shame on me…
As was the comment made earlier, what a democratic perspective…the “I’m-going-to-hit-you-then-run-away-cowardly” tactic. Nice job. I doubt anyone in this thread is interested to hear about your 17-year old daughter. “But let’s not go there.” See? Personal attacks aren’t wise. Let’s keep to the discussion at hand, shall we?
As for Mike, it certainly seems he has his bases covered with followers like that of your caliber. Tell me, don’t you think it’s rather convenient that you know of his “anonymous” contribution? If he doesn’t want people knowing yet you’re going around telling people, what does that say of your respect for the man? I will say this: whatever his motivations, political or not, may God bless him for that donation. And may Christ watch over and protect her family. But to say “he really has nothing to gain”? That’s illogical.
Lynette since remaining impersonal is beyond your ability I’ll address you directly. You forgive me and yet seek to drag my name through the mud to the best of your ability. That’s mighty rightous of you. As for your daughter I like how you left out your encouragement of our relationship. After all you introduced us and set up the couples events, but responsibility has never been your strong suit. Your completely irrational decision to stop our relationship despite my behaving in nothing but a gentlemans fashion still confounds me. Finally, your attempt to involve yourself in any reconciliation was laughable. You didn’t do anything but try to suck up to Mike like a sycophant. With friends like you Lynette nobody would need enemies. Now despite how dirty you have tried to play with me I will not try to drag your character into question because I have a modicum of tact. Your behavior is all the proof I need.
As for Mike, aweful convenient you are able to spread the word about his donation. Mighty convenient indeed. Most humble men make those donations anonymously…
If you have a question about Mike go to one of his events and talk to him. He is out there meeting people every day.
He wants to talk to you and hear your questions and concerns!
How hard is that? Use your own eyes and ears.
Wow. This is amazing. The lack of civility and intelligence in some poster on the internet will never cease to amaze me.
For starters, allow me to address the comments made by Kay. She says she has personal issues with Brassovan’s ethics and has had personal experience that has led to those opinions. I can understand that, just as I have had a personal experience with both candidates, Granger and Brassovan, that calls their ethics into question in my opinion. Am I bound by any special, ethereal internet commitment to give you the specifics of my encounter? Nope. That is why they are personal and that is why it has formed my opinion. Might I decide to do so? Possibly, but again that is my decision.
Now along to the idiocy on display in this thread. There are a couple of posters in this thread that can seem to do nothing more than assault personally those with whom they disagree. This shows not only a inability to support your argument, but also is a favorite tactic of those of the left who just wish to shut their opponents up.
To Dillon: You have called people cowards, afraid, hypocrites and more right from the start. You came into this thread swinging. At lease the commenter before you, Brianna Stevens, had enough decency to state her opinions in a manner that was not a direct attack on the person holding the opinion. She showed enough intelligence to state that she thought Kay’s ideas were silly then gave her own opinion from personal experience. Why have you not challenged her to give specifics on her experience that makes her believe Brassovan is “is a strong Christian man who would not have any kind of ethical violations”? Why that is just her opinion. She offered not fact or proof to back that statement in any way whatsoever. So is she a coward or a hypocrite for not giving you detailed proof and descriptions of her personal experience on what makes her feel Kay is wrong? I thought not.
To Lynette: Wow. Seriously, wow. Your personal hatred for the Boyer’s is obvious. How you managed to hook up on this comment thread is unknown, but the way you singled out one poster for immediate personal attacks then drug not only her family but your OWN into it is astoundingly horrible. It almost feels intentional, but I have know way to know this. Your disagreement with her in a public forum is understandable but the venom and vitriol with which you attack her and now her son is not. Your private personal issues with these people have no place on this thread. Go to Facebook, Twitter or MySpace where you can post your own “The Boyer’s Suck” threads all day. This is embarrassing.
For final comment on this, the thing that really struck me was your statement that you forgive Andrew. Wow. While I cannot truly see into your hear, your statements make it quite obvious that you absolutely do not forgive him. Else that is no form of Christian forgiveness that I have ever witnessed. You cannot attack someone with so much obvious detestably for them then absolve yourself by saying “Oh, yeah, but I forgive them.” That is not forgiveness, that is only an attempt to make you feel better about yourself and appear more the good Christian to others. Behavior like that is detestable in itself.
Andrew ,
I never set up any couples events ? You said you had few friends and I thought you and my older daughters fiancé would be a good friend match and you know that! I also tried to be a friend to you because you needed one that never ment I could not be Mikes friend too . I did not choose sides I thought the problem with you and Mike could have easily been straightened out but your pride would not allow that. Funny it was you who introduced me to Mike and told me what a wonderful Christian man he was. All this is about is you thought you were to be paid hourly and Mike thought you understood you were being paid by salary. That has nothing to do with ethics you blew a fuse and walked off the job because you wanted more money! Then your Mom jumped in and made this thing into some kind of war on Mike …
As far as my dauter goes we told you no dateing but you guys could be friends it was you who pushed it to the point of tring to convince her to go behind our backs even going to her High School and picking her up and your Mom and you wanting Meg to run off to Colorado with you to her condo there when you could not take no for an answer ! Your Mother claims you have nothing to be ashamed of so why does me going public with the facts bother you. Believe me I am holding back in what I say on here . Why don’t you just grow up and move on your Mother started the personal attacks here I just thought her bias should be outed!
For anyone who might still be inclined to read this blog you can begin your search by looking at the very public FEC reports. Viable candidates have usually acquired a good many contributions. You be the judge, but a responsible candidate does not begin a congressional campaign with no money. In that case, it might mean you couldn’t pay your employees. hmmm…..
What is this? Is this Days of Our Lives? Once again, this has no business being on this forum and if I were your daughter I would be horribly embarrassed at you airing my personal life to the entire internet.
So, now back to the conversation at hand and NOT drama central. You said Andrew worked for the campaign and could not handle the job and the responsibilities that went with it. Now you say he left because of a payroll dispute over hourly versus salary pay. So which is it? Because from what I have now gleaned with the little bit of knowledge that I have been able to acquire about the Brassovan campaign, he was not alone in leaving. It seems there was Andrew as the campaign manager, Kay as the volunteer coordinator and another consultant that left within days of each other. Now, for whatever reasons that occurred, it does not look well for a campaign when three of your key advisers bail on your at once. If you want to be a politician and serve the needs of a great many, yet cannot serve the needs of the most important people in your campaign, that is not a vote of confidence. Had it just been Andrew over a payroll dispute that would be one thing. However, Brassovan as a business owner should have known to clearly define payroll concerns upfront and in writing before any of this began. Failing to do that also does not speak highly of his management or leadership potential. Having said that Andrew should have known to do the same. You never agree to work for someone unless you get it in writing. It is my understanding that they were friends before this occurred. Rule #1: There are no friends in politics.
Hmmm, Lynette, I’m curious, what was this discussion even pertaining to initially? Even if the statements that you are making about Andrew were true, this isn’t about him or your petty attacks against him. His personal affairs have no relevance to this discussion. Besides, he’s not running for a congressional seat…so it should not be his ethics called into question. If an individual is aspiring to represent us in any way whatsoever, we need to know those potentially self-sabotaging qualities. It’s Mike on the hot seat, not Andrew, not Kaye, not Dillon, not you: it’s Mike. And this is an open forum to discuss him and opinions of him…Lynette, you have the tact of a liberal. So stop while you’re ahead, and address the initial topic or say nothing at all.
WOW! Kaye! You could find the bleak side of a rainbow! Glad you weren’t around when this country was founded, or else we might be speaking with British accents!
Wow, Becky what ground shaking insight! Way to further the discussion of the issue with inane observations again directed personally ant one of the posters.
If that is all you can contribute to the discussion, how about not doing so. These personal shots at each other are pointless and childish. I agree with Whitmore there. Granger and Brassovan are supposed to be the ones under the microscope here. Not whoever does or does not support them.
Anyone making accusations opens themselves up to scrutiny as well. Their ethics and character are very important so it is not improper to question them and find out what kind of people they are. If their only reason for making accusations is because of a personal grudge that they are trying to turn into something bigger than it is then they have the problem and should be under a microscope as well.
Yes, I have gotten a bit too emotional here but I am tired of the Boyers running around spreading poison about whom ever. I think the truth being out about the real issues with Mike and the Boyers is a good thing . I have zero to loose . I hate what knowing the Boyers has done to my family and as I said I admit my bias and just informed people of Kayes bias as well.
As I said concerning Mikes donation it was only because he needed my Churches info that he came to me about donating . I made request on behalf of my church so that is the only reason I knew and yes I will praise him for that if I want to and just an FYI on that . There were 80 salvations at the memorial service today! So yes thank you Mike and everyone else who helped cover all of little Baileys expenses.How sad and petty that you would all jump to the conclusion he did it for any other reason then to be helpful at my request ! Though I was already a fan I am an even bigger fan of Mike now. Thank you Andrew for introducing me to such a good guy I am greatful to you for that ! To the others I am sorry it has been an emotional few days for me and I have said more then I should have concerning the Boyer family . That is still a thorn in my side to think about . I do forgive because I must not because I feel like it. Now go ahead pick up more stones to throw at me for being to honest!
Brianna, to question why, of course makes perfect sense, but to assault the poster directly does not. If you were to question Kay about her original opinion as to why she felt Brassovan had ethical issue and she declined to elaborate, then by all means you have every right to dismiss her opinion. However, to assault the poster for having such an opinion is an ad hominem attack and bear no merit. You will not that I did state you challenged her idea as silly, not her for having it. Bravo to you on that count.
Lynette, I have no problem with you championing a charitable donation by a candidate, nor would I have had a problem with you countering Kay’s opinion with such an item. However, that was not what your original post was meant to do at all. You immediately started with an attack on her and her son. Whatever turmoil his relationship with your daughter may have caused your family, it does not need to be aired in a public forum such as this. That is a private issue between adults and should be handled as such. You do both him and your daughter a great disservice by bringing their personal lives up here.
Finally, the second to the last sentence you typed speaks volumes about you and your intent in these post. You simply cannot forgive because you must. If the forgiveness is forced then it is a sham and God knows your heart better than you. We are commanded to forgive, that is true, but He expects that forgiveness to be true, sincere and come from the heart because we know it is the right thing to do. There are people in my life whom I have forgiven for what they have done and there are those that I have not because I am too weak and selfish to see past their personal injuries to me. I will admit that I allow my sinful pride to stay my heart in their forgiveness, but I will never try to pretend that I have forgiven them. If you claim that you have forgiven because you must and not because you truly felt them worth of forgiveness, then you are only trying to fool yourself, because you will not fool God.
On a side note, I as I said earlier, I have found ethical issues with both of these candidates therefore I do not have a clear choice for this election.
I have looked into the Brassovan campaign and talked with people who have been involved and who still are involved. How much of this is true or not I do not know, but there is at least some validity and merit to the claims being made here. Mike Brassovan seems like a good Christian candidate who appears to be dedicated to solid conservative values. The problem here is that appearances can be deceiving and after gaining a tad more knowledge of this situation, I will admit there is enough to give me pause. Of course, there is enough to give me pause about Granger as well, so I am back at square one.
Well, it looks like there isn’t much left for me to say here. Lynette, nowhere in that entire incoherent rant did you say anything that even approached a rational thought. If I needed a reason to think poorly of Mike Brasovan all I need to do is read your posts as a rabid Brasovan supporter. You and Dillon have been Brasovan’s worst enemies in this. Your fantastical personal attacks on me are completely outside the realm of reality and make me question at what point you abandoned reality for madness. I’d take the time to dispute anything you said but frankly it looks so ridiculous I don’t need to. Thank you for making my points for me. If anyone has any real questions about what went on I will be in attendance at many local political gatherings in Parker and Tarrant counties.
Ok Stan, I’ll ask you – please elaborate on why kind of ethical issues you had discovered. If there is any merit to it then we all need to know.
This is a soap opera! Someone sent me a forward and the subject line was As the Brasovan Turns. This is something from Blue Collar Comedy. The commentd have made it very simple for me to vote for Kay coupled with sitting through two boring events with the Brasovan campaign. The man has the charm and speaking ability of my childhood pet rock!
Let me catch up with this very entertaining thread. At least three of you worked on the campaign & the Lynette lady still does. The manager, volunteer representative and the campaign consultant all left the campaign around the same time. That looks really bad. I mean really bad for Brasovan. The manager dated a Brasovan supporters daughter. Wow!
Other than hearsay on the Boyer situation, I cannot comment, therefore my opinions stand as mine alone because I trust those I have discussed it with to be fair and honest with me.
On the other hand, my personal experiences were just that, personal and no I do not choose to comment on them. Therefore you may dismiss my opinion as it stands if you wish, or do like I did and call some people and talk with them. See if you can find out more about the candidates. For Granger you can look at her record, her votes and absentee record. You can look at who she has endorsed and who she has helped campaign. For Brassovan it is more difficult. He has no public record, go listen to him speak, go talk to his business partners, see if you can figure out why his consultants left the campaign. Was it as one sided as Lynette painted it to be or was their reason that he lost three key people in under a week early on in his campaign and has not been able to raise nearly enough money to face Granger.
No, I will not comment on my personal experiences, because there is no way for you to verify them as true or not. They are what they are and they are enough to give me pause. That is all that matters.
As for these other claims, I have found that things are quite often not a cut and dry as they seem. I have also found that when talking to some others, they statements made by Kay and her son can not so easily just be dismissed.
Think and look for yourselves people, quit relying on others to lead you by the noses.
We were directed to this blog by Mike Brasovan himself. He proudly asked supporters to read the article. One can clearly deduce that he is reading every post. A good leader would have asked his staff to get it back on track, or to have done so himself. Unfortunately all things point directly to the character of the man, and is the very reason why I posted in the first place in the manner I did. It appears that Mike is gleaning some sense of satisfaction from this demonstration. Unfortunately, this is the level on which Mike Brasovan’s campaign is being run. If he has gained any satisfaction from this ridiculous fiasco then pray for him. Obviously he has or he would have gotten it stopped and re-focused the debate where it should be, on the issues. Good men are not born, they are created. There are serious issues both legal and ethical that will be forthcoming. Let’s just say for the time being that this is the example he wishes to leave. Would have been nice to hear from the candidate. I am ready to discuss the issues that are directly related to the 12th congressional district, and I would like to start with education. Any takers who would like to speak for the candidate?
Chris, I do not work for Mike . I am aquainted with Mike and Andrew through the young Republicans meetings I attended with my daughter for a time. I am a TEA party organizer
and a concerned citizen as well . To my knoweledge Andrew was the only paid employee of the campaign, Kaye was a volunteer till Andrew walked off the job because of long hours in a salary position that he thought was hourly hence the misunderstanding untill Kaye got involved fighting her sons battles and Mike had to have her escorted out of his office by police because of her behavior. If Kaye and Andrew thought Mike did not have money to run then why would Andrew go to work for Mike ? I just wish Kaye and Andrew would stop attacking the only real conservative candidate. Let me make this clear I have not ever worked for Mike but I admire and respect him for the person I know him to be . He does not want to be a politician, he wants to solve problems and that’s what we need. Typing on my iPhone and can’t proof read so sorry for any typing errors .
Last …Andrew you are very good with words but smug as always . Funny to me how you are playing the victim. Life is too short to waste my time on any more of this so continue on …
I went and checked out his FEC filings. You guys are on target about him when you say he can’t raise money. He’s hardly raised anything. Does he have a fundraiser? It doesn’t look like it. I didn’t see one listed on his site. No money, no personality, key staff members walk away, as for humble, only if you consider “look at me” donations as humble. What a disaster. Why did he file? Ahh, ego!
Now that I am home after a very long day and a very emotionally draining one at that (Started off my day with a Memorial service of 14 year old) . I was typing my posts from my iPhone on this thread throughout the day in between funeral and my physical therapy appointment and was less then tactful . Though I was truthful I also know it was not called for to air my personal issues with the Boyers here. I hate that I am still so hurt and angry about that situation but the Bible says do not repay evil for evil but do that which is good/ be angry but sin not . I own up to my mistakes and posting in my frame of mind was a big one! Please forgive me . In a multitude of counselors there is wisdom .
I believe we all want things in our Gov. to change for the better and we all want good sound moral leaders . I think Mike is just that and I hope you can still work out any differences you may have had with him . Again I am sorry for my total lack of humillity before .
Mike Brasovan , I am sorry if my postings have caused you any grief.
Sincerely ,
L
I do own a business. It’s a small business and yes you do need to control the environement to some extent as a small business owner. It would be different if it was random volunteers but these were people in key, advisory positions according to several comments. This clearly shows he was the one creating the problems or at least the hostile working atmosphere. It says a lot about his character, or lack of, and his inability to work well with others. Or he’s a control freak. Take your pick.
People in top jobs don’t just get up and leave for no reason, especially three at one time. You’ll find any excuse for this guys lack of leadership skills. Keep dreaming partner. This guy is not electable.
“Mike had to have her escorted out of his office by police because of her behavior”
Holy smoke screen! Keep talking lady. This is getting better and better. Does Granger know about this? He called the cops because he couldn’t handle the situation. I doubt the woman was throwing punches; he’s a weak leader.
Mike will always take the high road. I’m sure he posted the article because he wanted it read. Everyone else has turned a good piece of press into middle school gossip.
Mike is not a career politician…if he isn’t the most dynamic speaker that is why. He is however, honest, hard working, and determined. If you want to be entertained “CHRIS” go to the movies!
Yes, indeed I am Meagan McCracken. After one long ordeal of a weekend, I have chosen of my own initiative to offer my sincere apology to Mike Brasovan in this public forum. Oh where do I begin…long story short, I spent some time speaking with him this weekend, yesterday afternoon to be more precise. He, knowing full well the comments I had left on this site ridiculing him, came to simply bring consolation and be a friend I desperately needed. Though the circumstances were bad ones and though I had said horrible things against him, he extended grace in abundance and forgiveness that I couldn’t begin to describe or even personally comprehend for that matter. I will say that this gentleman is a “straight-to-the-point” calculating, solution-offering guy. He may come across as lacking in charisma to some people; however, he certainly compensates for this. After this encounter with him and truly becoming acquainted with his character, I realized that my only issue with him was based on a loyalty I had in Andrew. I was trying to defend and protect a guy I had continued seeing although my parents didn’t condone the relationship. I should not have been fighting his battles for him, and I certainly should not have made it a point to speak to my mother in the manner in which I did…nor should I have publicly chastised a man whom I didn’t even know. I apologize to absolutely everyone in this forum as well for my behavior. Thank you.
Meagan, aka “C. Whitmore”
…is that alias from Lost?
Charles Whitmore?
Just wondering
No sir, it’s not. “C.” stands for Courtney ^_^…But I do love that show.
Thank you Meagan for coming out in the open with the truth. It shows that you at least have some amount of character and that’s good to see in a 17 year old young lady. It also shows that your parents have done a great job raising you – in that while you may mistakes you have the decency and moral fortitude to own up to those mistakes.
We now know your reason for coming here and posting. That begs the question though – what are Kaye and Andrew’s real motives? It’s a shame he or they used you.
Regardless, I hope everything works out for your Meagan for the best – even if it may not always seem like the best at the time.
This campaign is a freak show! Becky thanks I look forward to going to the movies tonight. I’m sure whatever film I choose to see will be organized and financed well unlike this campaign. Granger has this in the bag. Brasovan is not a threat at all and those who think he’ll win are delusional.
If that is true, then why do Granger’s own supporters consider Brasovan to be a serious threat to her seat?
It just seams most of the posts on here have nothing to do with Granger or Brasovan, or even the article really… Just personal irrelevant opinions based on who knows what…
Lets keep it relevant ya’ll.
CC Chris, You are probably right. Mike B is not a professional politician, does not have incumbent resources to use, and is not supported by big business and lobbyists. Mike is reliant on grass roots efforts of people who respect him and are fed up with what our politicians have done to this great country and fed up with Kay Granger in particular. His election is probably a very long shot.
Why do I want Kay G to move on: 1) reckless wasteful spending – the national debt has increased $3,000,000,000,000 while Kay has been there, 2) Crony Capitalism – do your research on the web, 3) The actions of the Republicans like Kay G in the last 8 years led to Democrat landslide and the horrid policies we are now facing, 4) Points 1 and 2 indicate she is weak on morals. She is also pro-choice.
Mike sets a great example of hard work, risk taking and moral decency. Coming from a broken home, he earned an Electrical Engineering degree, started a company, and has a nice family.
His election is probably a long shot. We have to try! The good people in this country have not been vigilant of our government. For the sake of my family’s future, I must try to stop the destruction that our government is doing. It starts with electing Mike Brasovan.
I wholeheartedly support Mike B. Why do you like Kay Granger?
It starts with electing Mike Brasovan? You make it seem no one from broken homes ever makes it. Wow he has a bachelors, what of it? How has he proven he’s a leader? If he has so much support and people are so fed up why can’t he get any finacial backing? If he’s so great why can’t he raise funds? Ask yourself why people don’t put their money where their mouth is and back this guy? He’s not worthy is the answer!
Hey Chris, you are so good at blogging hate about a guy just trying to make something happen. May I ask what you are doing? Are you happy with the state of our district? Why do you care, if as you say, he doesn’t stand a chance?
Blogging hate? You need a reality check. Last I checked I have a right to my opinion and I’m also stating facts. Facts. He has no money. No one is remotely financially supporting this guy. Am I wrong? Can you show me who believes in him and his leadership enough to hand him some dough? Besides four people or so.
As for making something happen. What exactly is he doing? Besides producing a campaign soap opera. Truth is the answer is nothing. He’s done nothing for the citizens of District 12. You know I’m right! Someone who has actually done something and helped the district should run and not this guy. He brings nothing and all of you know it, you just dislike Kay and he’s the only other option. That’s not a good enough reason and I think people know that. That’s why his campaign is a broke joke.
I was sent to this sight for a good laugh, but this is really a mess! Someone posts and insults their own mother, then apologizes after being caught, and thinks Mike is a wonderful guy…man-well anyway, when you examine any campaign here is what you don’t want to see…..a campaign treasurer who is a business employee of the candidate. It calls into question the issue of ethics. Imagine if you will that things get a little quirky, and the treasurer compromises their own interest for fear of retalliation from their boss, the candidate, and hence you have a real problem..and once again that is a fact. The campaign treasurer is indeed an employee of Mike Brasovan’s in his energy company. Perhaps everything is fine, but what if it isn’t? It is just poor judgement on the part of the campaign, and just one more reason why questions are being asked. Food for thought at any rate!
CCC, it starts with Mike because he is the only on my ballot who is running for a Washington office on my ballot. Being from a broken home is generally harder than being raised by your parents, electrical engineering is one of the hardest bachelor degrees, starting a company is very hard work and risky – IMHO. Those traits impress me. Fine, if they are insignificant to you.
Financials – The system is rigged to benefit incumbents. The PAC’s and lobbyists donate the vast majority of huge sums of money to incumbents – usually incumbents of both parties. (wow, that is weird, both parties.) Mike is meeting as many people as he can but almost anybody does not just fork over cash after a short meeting. Further, fund raising is a skill and Mike probably has a lot of room to improve in this area. I concede your point and admit Kay Granger is better at getting lobbyists and big business to give her money. I would expect all professional politicians to better than common citizens at this. (Do you ever wonder why Congress has 20% approval rating but a 90% re-election rate. Those numbers could be off in magnitude but only slightly.)
“He has done nothing for District 12.” That puts him ahead a Kay. She is leaving a legacy of debt that my children and grandchildren must repay. $3,000,000,000,000 during her tenure!! This is a huge negative. Thomas Jefferson said that saddling future generations with debt was immoral.
I don’t hate Kay. I hate professional politicians, reckless govt deficit spending, and giving govt favors to friends and family. There were, perhaps still are, others running. I looked at and talked to all of them. Mike is the best.
Finally, I thought my question: “Why do you like Kay?” was pretty easy. You have had 2 posts since then. I thought that for a 12 year Congressperson, it would be easy for you to list them. I sincerely want to know.
Oh and easy on some of your claims people. You are starting to sound like Obama fans towards Mr. Nothing Special Brasovan
CCC, AGAIN, IF HE HAS NO CHANCE WHY DO YOU CARE??? WHY ARE YOU ON THIS SITE EVERY DAY?
Renee’- it is really sad that your mind works like that. The treasurer is an honest man who has morals and strong ethics. Do some home work before you start another string of lies and malice.
Tim you’re wrong in one crucial way. If you look at individual contributions, meaning citizens, Granger still blows Brasovan away. Forget lobby and PAC money, why aren’t regular voters giving to Brasovan yet they give to Kay? This is the key question. It’s because he’s not electable. Sure some people might like him but not enough do and that’s the bottom line. He’ll never have the support he needs because he’s the wrong guy for the position and many people know it.
As I said we need a strong candidate to go up against Kay. Someone who has actually done something for the citizens of district 12, then I’ll think about not voting for Kay. But I’m not going to vote for Brasovan because he’s the only other name on the ballot when I know he doesn’t have what it takes to fight for his citizens.
The FEC records have only been posted through 3rd quarter. So it’s anyone’s guess how much money he has raised to date!
Becky I have an idea why don’t you worry less about me. Can you not answer my questions? Yeah I didn’t think so.
Oh and becky to answer you, because I can be. Why are you on this site everyday being a Brasovan bulldog?
Here’s a question I’ll throw out there: Is it unethical to create an earmark for a huge multi-billion dollar project the Federal Government pays for through our tax dollars? How about the lead congresswoman in charge, who put that earmark in the bill, turns around and puts her son in charge of the project?
What part of we need a strong leader to go against Kay are you not getting? Mike Brasovan is not, I repeat not that candidate. Can I make it any clearer? Now is anyone going to tell me why this guy can’t raise money? Since you claim he’s so great and all. Individuals don’t even give to his campaign. Wake up sheople!
CCC, I concede the point that a 12 year incumbent who also used to be Mayor can get more money from all sources. No doubt this race is certainly similar to David vs Goliath. The system greatly favors incumbents, even moreso in primaries. I guess we will soon see the power of grass roots efforts.
So what you like about Kay is that she can raise the most money. Got it. You must be pleased that now we have professional politicians that bail out favored groups with money that they don’t have. (But the bailed out groups sure raise a lot of money for the politicians). We now have an unholy alliance between politicians, lobbyists, Wall Street and big business who all just squeeze the middle class . You may be ok with it, I am not.
Mike B is more conservative fiscally. (Note the $3 trillion deficit just since she started. Note her record on pork barrel spending. )
Mike B is more conservative ethically and morally. (Note the money received by her son and Campaign Manager from the TRP. Note the immoral spending of future generations money. Note also that Mike is pro-life, Kay is pro-choice.)
I am going to vote for the conservative in this race. If you are happy with the state of the country, then vote for Kay. I am sure she is a very nice pleasant person. But don’t kid yourself that she is a good politician and everyone else is bad. The existing political system got this country where we are — nearly bankrupt morally and financially.
I think we will have to agree to disagree. Good luck!
Tim you seem like a likeable guy but you’re missing the point. Put it this way, forget Granger’s bucks, why don’t citizens give to Brasovan’s campaign? Not one person has attempted an answer. He is not getting any real financial backing from constituents. Why? It’s because he’s the wrong guy. I have spoken with many in the district and they say the same thing; he’s an empty suit and doesn’t stand out. We need a winner to beat Kay and it’s not Brasovan. I’m looking for candidates to support but no way is it this guy.
CCC,
Pay attention – financials are only in through the 3rd quarter. You have no idea how much Mike has raised since then.
Now, can you answer Tim’s very simple question – without mentioning Mike’s name?
What do YOU like about Kay?
Again, what part do YOU not get about what I’ve said? I don’t have to “like” Kay to know NOT to vote for Brasovan. Are you suggesting I vote for him because he’s the only other name on the ballot eventhough I know he’s NOT a good candidate?
NOW, stop hiding behind your rhetoric and answer my “little”. And don’t hide behind the FEC filing mumbo jumbo. Why have people not donated to his campaign in greater numbers? I was at the summer meeting when he announced. It’s been 5 months and he has not raised a significant amount to even consider him a real candidate. My question is why aren’t constituents, whom you guys are claiming are so fed up and love Mike, giving him any real dough? They see, as I do, through the fakeness, lack of leadership, whiny, empty suit cow patty jive.
We need a real candidate to step forward. As I’ve said many times, Brasovan is NOT an electable candidate.
CCC,
I didn’t think you could do it. Not surprised though.
Fact is Mike is a great candidate and its unfortunate that you are too blind to see it. You obviously have not been around when other voters have met him or when groups of people have cheered for him. I’ve seen and heard it. Where were you?
I see you dodge my question again. Well just goes to show you know he’s not electable either. Constituents don’t even give to this guy. He is not a great candidate or else he’d have more financial support, and you know it.
As for the cheers, good one. You mean the orchestrated circus of his own people he strategically places around the room to clap and holler when he gives the signal. Everyone is on to what he does since he can’t hold on to real supporters.
I’m guessing that CCC is Kaye Boyer. Sure sounds like the bitter old woman. It certainly isn’t a sane, logical person or she wouldn’t keep repeating herself and making stupid claims about strategically placing people around the room. How’s that work now? He doesn’t have any money and no supporters but he can place people strategically around a room? Must be magic. Probably not though – he had exactly one staff person with him at the last event I heard a room full of people cheer for him at. Too bad you missed it.
As for money – wake up – wait until the next reporting cycle and quit repeating yourself. A lot of candidates didn’t raise money in the 3rd quarter of this year – that says nothing about their ability as a candidate.
You’d have something to say besides the same old boring claims (which started with you as Kaye Boyer) if you could – but everyone reading this knows you have nothing.
Dillon I feel sorry for you! You’re very clueless. You don’t need money to have five supporters act the way they have at several meetings. You keep living in your delusional Mike’s so great world and enjoy the ridicule his campaign gets everyday. A few take him seriously but the majority don’t, and certainly not major grassroots as some of you are claiming. Am I Kaye Boyer, what a silly claim. Leave the woman alone. You just committed libel, why you brought her up I don’t know but I suggest you stop with your rants and accusations.
Now you keep enjoying the Brasovan circus. You know the one, broke joke, few supporters, silly rants from his “fanatics”, cow patty speeches that produce a million yawns a minute, and a man who is not a leader. One could claim you’re Brasovan.
Oh and I have only one word: Gallops! Enough said. How can Brasovan claim to be THE conservative in the race with Gallops as a campaign manager? Gallops, are you serious?
Brasovan doomed his own campaign.
CCC,
It’s obvious you aren’t actually at any of the events Mike attends nor have you been around when he’s met anyone. Pretty lame attempt to paint him in a bad way when you aren’t even around. And no but a couple of Kaye fans are ridiculing him. And what’s Gallups got to do with anything. You probably don’t know him either.
He paints himself in an unfit shade. Enjoy this circus.
“He paints himself in an unfit shade.” What the heck does that mean?
He’s a fake is what it means. Many things are happening and Brasodud isn’t a part of them. Get it through your head, people don’t really like him. A lot is happening and candidates are choosing to leave him out. He’s not part of the establishment or grassroots!
Like I said, you probably don’t know him either. It’s a shame you have no clue what you’re talking about. But that’s ok, stay in your dream world.
Dillon I mean Brasodud, delusional is you thinking Granger is going away because you think this campaign is a threat. Pure comedy and rhetoric. He can’t win. Matt Kelly has a better chance of winning not that he will but he’s a better choice.
Get some fresh air
I am appalled to call myself a conservative after reading this board. Unbelievable. I know Mike Brasovan and have met with him on many occasions. Mike is a decent guy. He has a wonderful family. However, I do not believe that he is the best choice to replace Kay Granger. And, Kay Granger does need to be replaced. I have come accross a gentleman by the name of Matthew E. Kelly. If you listen to talk radio in DFW you may have heard his interview and commercial. This man is a servant. Someone that is citizen minded. That is what we need in my opinion.