I think that’s kind of the point, JB. All that surveillance on peace groups, Muslims and vegans, all those National Security Letters, all that eavesdropping on American citizens, and nothing to show for it.

Name one person prosecuted and in jail under the Patriot Act. You will find one… someone who abused prisoners in the CIA.

You are incorrect about making headway we went over a trillion more in debt. I do not call that headway when the national debt was increased by over 25%. (As explained above.) To Clinton’s credit he was 17.6 billion away from a balanced year in believe in 1997 or 1998.

And I do recall that we were in debt when President Clinton was in office, but we were making headway in righting the ship. The reason I know this is because Tom DeLay and Dick Armey spent a lot of time taking credit for the turn in spending. I know they were lying about the credit they deserved, but they weren’t lying about the turn, were they?

I am interested in what constitutional rights have you lost under Bush?

You do know we were still massively in debt when Clinton was in office correct? Though I am in no way sticking up for Bush because I think he did nothing conservative while in office… the facts are during Clinton’s term the national debt went from 4.4 to 5.8 trillion and we had a deficit of 133 billion when he left.

The national debt is made up of two kinds of debt – “public debt” and “intergovernmental debt”…

The “public debt” went down under Clinton – this is where you are getting your surplus. But we were still gaining in the “national debt” – but why?

You might remember this was during the awesome-DotCom-amazing-time. People were making money on that bubble so the government was getting alot of cash pushed into Social Security. So much money Social Security had more money coming in than it could pay out. So instead of taking money from the “public” they took it from themselves – the social security administration. ( “Intergovernmental debt”)

That “intergovernmental debt” went up but you only hear of the “public debt” when they say surplus… in reality there was no “surplus” the “national debt” went up every year Clinton was in office.

Enjoy the hell out of them every single day. Don’t feel like I’ve lost a single one.

So yes, it should be stopped. There has to be a way for a group like ACORN to take responsibility, and not be able to just turn in everything and say “Hey, we followed the law”.