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	<title>Comments on: Section 8 Housing Vouchers Produce More Crime</title>
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		<title>By: george</title>
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		<dc:creator>george</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 09:00:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really think some of you people are being selfish.I had a real good job and I got the news from my Dr. who told me I had a illness and I had to get on employment. I&#039;m on the section 8 waiting list and I&#039;m trying to sell my 2007 infiniti coupe yes I said coupe. You see Im doing better then you because thats what GOD do for the people that are under him. Oh I&#039;m sorry you severe money the other master.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really think some of you people are being selfish.I had a real good job and I got the news from my Dr. who told me I had a illness and I had to get on employment. I&#8217;m on the section 8 waiting list and I&#8217;m trying to sell my 2007 infiniti coupe yes I said coupe. You see Im doing better then you because thats what GOD do for the people that are under him. Oh I&#8217;m sorry you severe money the other master.</p>
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		<title>By: butch palmer</title>
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		<dc:creator>butch palmer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 28 Dec 2008 00:41:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You may get a copy from the records department of the Augusta, GA Richmond county Sheriffs department: Case no. 08.256342 No all but far too many single welfare mothers are the true criminals, yet, they go unpunished. They allow thugs to live with them and their children in their section 8 houses. The one at 1711 Walker St has had dope dealers in her house since she moved in. Zertaur Alexis Gough and Jamal Khalil Gough were busted for pot and crack dealing at this 1711 Walker st address on Dec 19th. It is a slap on every taxpayers face to have this single mother knowingly harbour criminals and the Augusta Housing Authority has not take away her section 8 privilege. The sad part is that this is not an isolated case. We need accountability within the Augusta Housing Authority. You would also think that the Richmond County family and children services would remove children from this dangerous situation.
Are public housing authorities ignoring problems in other places too ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You may get a copy from the records department of the Augusta, GA Richmond county Sheriffs department: Case no. 08.256342 No all but far too many single welfare mothers are the true criminals, yet, they go unpunished. They allow thugs to live with them and their children in their section 8 houses. The one at 1711 Walker St has had dope dealers in her house since she moved in. Zertaur Alexis Gough and Jamal Khalil Gough were busted for pot and crack dealing at this 1711 Walker st address on Dec 19th. It is a slap on every taxpayers face to have this single mother knowingly harbour criminals and the Augusta Housing Authority has not take away her section 8 privilege. The sad part is that this is not an isolated case. We need accountability within the Augusta Housing Authority. You would also think that the Richmond County family and children services would remove children from this dangerous situation.<br />
Are public housing authorities ignoring problems in other places too ?</p>
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		<title>By: pho3nix</title>
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		<dc:creator>pho3nix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 18:42:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sabo, you are a genius indeed!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sabo, you are a genius indeed!</p>
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		<title>By: sabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The section 8 program was set up in a way to actually help irresponsible people live in established neighborhoods. What I am about to discuss may see so simple but please think about it in terms having a healthy neighborhood.
The section 8 payment goes directly to the landlord. This by passes the tenant of the responsibility of passing on to the landlord the house rent. If the  section 8 payment went to the tenant It would give irresponsible tenants a chance to &quot;screw up&quot; and spend the money before they pay the rent. People who are screw ups usually cause other problems in the neighborhood anyway. Instead of paying the section 8 payment to the landlord why and enabling  an irresponsible tenant to stay in the neighborhood for months why not give the tenant a change from the start to fail. This way the tenant can be kicked out of the section 8 program early and this saves decent neighborhood members from the tenants poor choices such as drug dealing, excessive alcohol use and domestic violence that affects surrounding neighbors. Would you want to live next door to a tenant who is not responsible enough to pass on the rent to their landlord ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The section 8 program was set up in a way to actually help irresponsible people live in established neighborhoods. What I am about to discuss may see so simple but please think about it in terms having a healthy neighborhood.<br />
The section 8 payment goes directly to the landlord. This by passes the tenant of the responsibility of passing on to the landlord the house rent. If the  section 8 payment went to the tenant It would give irresponsible tenants a chance to &#8220;screw up&#8221; and spend the money before they pay the rent. People who are screw ups usually cause other problems in the neighborhood anyway. Instead of paying the section 8 payment to the landlord why and enabling  an irresponsible tenant to stay in the neighborhood for months why not give the tenant a change from the start to fail. This way the tenant can be kicked out of the section 8 program early and this saves decent neighborhood members from the tenants poor choices such as drug dealing, excessive alcohol use and domestic violence that affects surrounding neighbors. Would you want to live next door to a tenant who is not responsible enough to pass on the rent to their landlord ?</p>
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		<title>By: sabo</title>
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		<dc:creator>sabo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 Aug 2008 16:02:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The real Katrina tragedy was the relocation of the no account welfare people who came to Augusta GA from New Orleans. Has anyone else in other areas had similar experiences ? The last thing that Augusta GA needs is more section 8 housing and people on public assistance. I am not knocking all of them but about a third are riff raff. About 30 % of the section 8 people are dope dealers or their customers who destroy neighborhoods. See Clean Up Harrisburg Video at : http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/27033799.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The real Katrina tragedy was the relocation of the no account welfare people who came to Augusta GA from New Orleans. Has anyone else in other areas had similar experiences ? The last thing that Augusta GA needs is more section 8 housing and people on public assistance. I am not knocking all of them but about a third are riff raff. About 30 % of the section 8 people are dope dealers or their customers who destroy neighborhoods. See Clean Up Harrisburg Video at : <a href="http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/27033799.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.nbcaugusta.com/news/local/27033799.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Jun 2008 22:00:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have read this article and unfortunately, in some cases it may be true about crime festering in some areas more than others, but most of the time people who get these vouchers are geared toward the high crime areas, because no one will accept the voucher in better neighborhoods, and most times the land lords don&#039;t even know what a section 8 voucher is!?!    I have a section 8 voucher and I live in a good area that is quiet.  But crime is everywhere in the &quot;good areas&quot; as well as &quot;poor areas&quot; so how can it be stated that having a voucher produce crime, when the cause goes much deeper than having a voucher...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have read this article and unfortunately, in some cases it may be true about crime festering in some areas more than others, but most of the time people who get these vouchers are geared toward the high crime areas, because no one will accept the voucher in better neighborhoods, and most times the land lords don&#8217;t even know what a section 8 voucher is!?!    I have a section 8 voucher and I live in a good area that is quiet.  But crime is everywhere in the &#8220;good areas&#8221; as well as &#8220;poor areas&#8221; so how can it be stated that having a voucher produce crime, when the cause goes much deeper than having a voucher&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 21:32:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obamanator,

So if you have apartments in your neighborhood, your car is probably more safe, since that&#039;s where the crime will occur. See!

I&#039;d like to thank you for your &quot;Letters from Sunnyvale.&quot; And by the way, I&#039;ve figured out who you are. Wick was right, too, that really &lt;i&gt;was&lt;/i&gt; one heck of a column.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obamanator,</p>
<p>So if you have apartments in your neighborhood, your car is probably more safe, since that&#8217;s where the crime will occur. See!</p>
<p>I&#8217;d like to thank you for your &#8220;Letters from Sunnyvale.&#8221; And by the way, I&#8217;ve figured out who you are. Wick was right, too, that really <i>was</i> one heck of a column.</p>
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		<title>By: Obamanator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obamanator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:17:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob ,

You are right about one thing -- living in a home does not make you a good person and living in an apartment does not make you a bad person. However, living in an apartment DOES put you at risk -- and as an extension, the surrounding neighborhoods are at risk.

Briefings to Dallas City Hall last year provided the following facts:

41% of Dallas&#039; auto thefts occur in apartment complexes. Compare that to 16% at residences and 17% on public streets. 

Apartments make up 31% of the BMV (Burglary of Motor Vehicle) numbers. Compare that to 1% for shopping malls, 12% for residences, and 17% for public streets.

From January thru August 2007, 31 murders occurred in apartments and 23 have occurred in their parking lots (38% of the total).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob ,</p>
<p>You are right about one thing &#8212; living in a home does not make you a good person and living in an apartment does not make you a bad person. However, living in an apartment DOES put you at risk &#8212; and as an extension, the surrounding neighborhoods are at risk.</p>
<p>Briefings to Dallas City Hall last year provided the following facts:</p>
<p>41% of Dallas&#8217; auto thefts occur in apartment complexes. Compare that to 16% at residences and 17% on public streets. </p>
<p>Apartments make up 31% of the BMV (Burglary of Motor Vehicle) numbers. Compare that to 1% for shopping malls, 12% for residences, and 17% for public streets.</p>
<p>From January thru August 2007, 31 murders occurred in apartments and 23 have occurred in their parking lots (38% of the total).</p>
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		<title>By: Obamanator</title>
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		<dc:creator>Obamanator</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh,spare the liberal indignation.  I guess Bob and Daniel would be pleased as punch if a large, 500 unit, mobile home park moved in next door to their homes. 

Never said that suburbs were superior to city living. My issue is that multi-family development is not beneficial to nearby neighborhoods.

The apartment issue is not about bigotry (I think that is in Chapter 4 in the liberal playbook). It&#039;s about economics. 

Having too much multi-family located near a neighborhood will reduce property values -- it doesn&#039;t matter if the apartments are full of 40 year old white people, 25 year old Hispanics or 30 year old African-Americans. 

Apartments increase traffic, hurt property values and, just ask the folks who live west of 75 near upper, upper Greenville, apartments attract more crime. Their impact on local schools also are problematic -- the amount of property tax revenue brought in by an apartment complex is not nearly enough to cover the cost of educating the large number of kids that come from the complex. 

I think it is funny that so many people in the &quot;we need diversity on Dallas&quot; crowd -- not just ethnic diversity, but also income diversity -- are also the first to scream for extremely standards on apartments (amenities, security, landscaping) so that when they are finished, they are no longer affordable!

So, if you truly want income diversity, we should loosen zoning standards to allow for mobile homes throughout Dallas.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh,spare the liberal indignation.  I guess Bob and Daniel would be pleased as punch if a large, 500 unit, mobile home park moved in next door to their homes. </p>
<p>Never said that suburbs were superior to city living. My issue is that multi-family development is not beneficial to nearby neighborhoods.</p>
<p>The apartment issue is not about bigotry (I think that is in Chapter 4 in the liberal playbook). It&#8217;s about economics. </p>
<p>Having too much multi-family located near a neighborhood will reduce property values &#8212; it doesn&#8217;t matter if the apartments are full of 40 year old white people, 25 year old Hispanics or 30 year old African-Americans. </p>
<p>Apartments increase traffic, hurt property values and, just ask the folks who live west of 75 near upper, upper Greenville, apartments attract more crime. Their impact on local schools also are problematic &#8212; the amount of property tax revenue brought in by an apartment complex is not nearly enough to cover the cost of educating the large number of kids that come from the complex. </p>
<p>I think it is funny that so many people in the &#8220;we need diversity on Dallas&#8221; crowd &#8212; not just ethnic diversity, but also income diversity &#8212; are also the first to scream for extremely standards on apartments (amenities, security, landscaping) so that when they are finished, they are no longer affordable!</p>
<p>So, if you truly want income diversity, we should loosen zoning standards to allow for mobile homes throughout Dallas.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 19:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Um swingers&#039; club, not swinger&#039;s club, for my fellow usage scolds. 

Unless it&#039;s just one swinger. With one hand. Clapping.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Um swingers&#8217; club, not swinger&#8217;s club, for my fellow usage scolds. </p>
<p>Unless it&#8217;s just one swinger. With one hand. Clapping.</p>
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