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		<title>By: scubaluke</title>
		<link>http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/06/19/bicyclists-are-people-too/comment-page-3/#comment-33475</link>
		<dc:creator>scubaluke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 03:48:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey A Cop please read the below statement. I think you will find it interesting

&quot;Cars don’t give me enough space,&quot; he went on. &quot;Although West Rosedale has three lanes and drivers have plenty of space, they’ll honk and yell at you. They’re just frustrated that I am in their way.&quot; Many North Texas motorists are unaware that cyclists have the same right to the road as they have, said Sgt. Mike Cagle of the Fort Worth Police Bike Patrol Unit, who often cycles to work from North Richland Hills.

&quot;I agree it’s dangerous to ride a bike on the street. Many people are not courteous and don’t want to move over,&quot; said Cagle, who pedals from home in plainclothes and therefore is treated differently than when he is on patrol. &quot;I’ve had a big mirror on a pickup truck brush my shoulder. Then another pickup driver threw a can of green beans toward my head and missed me by three inches. It could have killed me.

&quot;People are in such a hurry, but vehicles have to yield whether they like it or not. There needs to be some severe education.&quot;

By law, motorists must provide a safe distance when overtaking a bicycle, but the law is hard to enforce.

Just in case you want to read the whole story  see the link below
http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/714529.html

Geoffrey
I am not sure what interview you are talking about but here is the commuter forum that I use and have gotten great advice from equipment to route selection to how to clean up at work with out a shower.
http://www.dorba.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=20&amp;sid=235ba69c0e0eb46f5edfe4cd2e7b2ef2
I hope this is what you where looking for</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey A Cop please read the below statement. I think you will find it interesting</p>
<p>&#8220;Cars don’t give me enough space,&#8221; he went on. &#8220;Although West Rosedale has three lanes and drivers have plenty of space, they’ll honk and yell at you. They’re just frustrated that I am in their way.&#8221; Many North Texas motorists are unaware that cyclists have the same right to the road as they have, said Sgt. Mike Cagle of the Fort Worth Police Bike Patrol Unit, who often cycles to work from North Richland Hills.</p>
<p>&#8220;I agree it’s dangerous to ride a bike on the street. Many people are not courteous and don’t want to move over,&#8221; said Cagle, who pedals from home in plainclothes and therefore is treated differently than when he is on patrol. &#8220;I’ve had a big mirror on a pickup truck brush my shoulder. Then another pickup driver threw a can of green beans toward my head and missed me by three inches. It could have killed me.</p>
<p>&#8220;People are in such a hurry, but vehicles have to yield whether they like it or not. There needs to be some severe education.&#8221;</p>
<p>By law, motorists must provide a safe distance when overtaking a bicycle, but the law is hard to enforce.</p>
<p>Just in case you want to read the whole story  see the link below<br />
<a href="http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/714529.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.star-telegram.com/news/story/714529.html</a></p>
<p>Geoffrey<br />
I am not sure what interview you are talking about but here is the commuter forum that I use and have gotten great advice from equipment to route selection to how to clean up at work with out a shower.<br />
<a href="http://www.dorba.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=20&amp;sid=235ba69c0e0eb46f5edfe4cd2e7b2ef2" rel="nofollow">http://www.dorba.org/phpBB/viewforum.php?f=20&amp;sid=235ba69c0e0eb46f5edfe4cd2e7b2ef2</a><br />
I hope this is what you where looking for</p>
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		<title>By: Geoffrey</title>
		<link>http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/06/19/bicyclists-are-people-too/comment-page-2/#comment-33463</link>
		<dc:creator>Geoffrey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Jun 2008 00:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What is the commuter web site they spoke about in the interview?</description>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Jun 2008 02:43:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One of the cyclists hit in the past week, is a guy named Paul, who was hit from behind on Mockingbird last saturday at White Rock. He was seriously injured.

His family started a blog:

http://www.getwellsoonpaul.blogspot.com/

Take a good hard look at that blog. It really drives the point home about how real these issues are.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the cyclists hit in the past week, is a guy named Paul, who was hit from behind on Mockingbird last saturday at White Rock. He was seriously injured.</p>
<p>His family started a blog:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getwellsoonpaul.blogspot.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getwellsoonpaul.blogspot.com/</a></p>
<p>Take a good hard look at that blog. It really drives the point home about how real these issues are.</p>
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		<title>By: Tate</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 22:24:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a cop&quot; You still have posted nothing that tells me how my rights, and responsibilities are different from that of a motor vehicle. Most of my riding is done in Dallas, were according to the  transportation alternatives coordinator for Dallas less than 1% of the roads in Dallas have lanes 14ft or wider, most are much less.  Therefore cyclist can have the full lane, and taking that lane does not constitute traffic impediment unless cyclist are 2 abreast.   

I stop at stop signs, and lights the same as I do when I drive my car, I signal when on my bike, and I meet and actually exceed the night light requirements.  What else am I missing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a cop&#8221; You still have posted nothing that tells me how my rights, and responsibilities are different from that of a motor vehicle. Most of my riding is done in Dallas, were according to the  transportation alternatives coordinator for Dallas less than 1% of the roads in Dallas have lanes 14ft or wider, most are much less.  Therefore cyclist can have the full lane, and taking that lane does not constitute traffic impediment unless cyclist are 2 abreast.   </p>
<p>I stop at stop signs, and lights the same as I do when I drive my car, I signal when on my bike, and I meet and actually exceed the night light requirements.  What else am I missing.</p>
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		<title>By: ScubaLuke</title>
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		<dc:creator>ScubaLuke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 17:29:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just in case you guys can not wrap your mind around what can happen when acar and a cyclist tangle check out this video that was on WFAA a while ago

This is about the accident. (The video was air on wfaa so nothing to make you ill) He is very lucky that his accident was not as bad as it could have been
http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=162862

This is about his return to commuting
http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=173968

Please pay attention to the faces in the second video. Some of those people who are posting here are also in that video. Remember those faces and think about them when you see a cyclist riding down the road. I am in the video I am the big guy with the the black jersey and white helmet on but there are others who are posting here that are also in the video.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just in case you guys can not wrap your mind around what can happen when acar and a cyclist tangle check out this video that was on WFAA a while ago</p>
<p>This is about the accident. (The video was air on wfaa so nothing to make you ill) He is very lucky that his accident was not as bad as it could have been<br />
<a href="http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=162862" rel="nofollow">http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=162862</a></p>
<p>This is about his return to commuting<br />
<a href="http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=173968" rel="nofollow">http://www.wfaa.com/video/?z=y&amp;nvid=173968</a></p>
<p>Please pay attention to the faces in the second video. Some of those people who are posting here are also in that video. Remember those faces and think about them when you see a cyclist riding down the road. I am in the video I am the big guy with the the black jersey and white helmet on but there are others who are posting here that are also in the video.</p>
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		<title>By: RichardsonResident</title>
		<link>http://frontburner.dmagazine.com/2008/06/19/bicyclists-are-people-too/comment-page-2/#comment-33407</link>
		<dc:creator>RichardsonResident</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 14:23:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A cop&quot; posted &quot;Your rights are not the same to the road…all this talk about law and no talk about what it actually is…please read the following:&quot; then posted the statute that CONTRADICTS this statement.  The if/then/else/unless nature of legalese is apparently confusing even to (anonymous, purported) law enforcement professionals.

Gbzz explained it most succinctly yet &quot;A cop&quot; still missed it.  The gist is that &quot;cyclists must hug the curb UNLESS there&#039;s a hazard OR the lane is [this] narrow&quot; where [this] is defined in (4)A-B.

Most surprising to me is how blindly people will generalize each other. Saying  &quot;all cyclists blow stop signs&quot; is like saying &quot;all motorists drive SUVs&quot;.  Think about it.

Motorists roll and/or blow stop signs ALL THE TIME.  Go sit at a 4-way stop and watch for a while.  In my opinion, the reason this doesn&#039;t provoke more outrage is that so many motorists feel entitled to do it.  Yet it&#039;s just as illegal either way.

By the way, I do stop at every stop sign.  And I wouldn&#039;t be surprised if, at least half the time, the motorist behind me is cursing how long they are being forced to wait, for both the stop and my limited acceleration.  (My car is slow, my bicycle slower.)  More often than not, there is a second EMPTY lane they could&#039;ve used to reduce their wait, but apparently decisions that would reduce such delays are beyond them.  Better to shift blame!  Let&#039;s go rant on the internet!

Go reread the top of this page.  Bicyclists are People Too.  We are all people.  Some do stupid things sometimes.  A few do stupid things all the time.  For example, a few people do stupid/illegal things with guns (i.e. criminals).  Does that mean everyone with a gun is stupid and/or a criminal?  Would those of you advocating the &quot;get &#039;em off the streets&quot; approach to cyclists apply the same argument to guns?

Are you going to have a totalitarian they-must-be-stopped freakout, or are you willing to consider the possibility that compromise may be required?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A cop&#8221; posted &#8220;Your rights are not the same to the road…all this talk about law and no talk about what it actually is…please read the following:&#8221; then posted the statute that CONTRADICTS this statement.  The if/then/else/unless nature of legalese is apparently confusing even to (anonymous, purported) law enforcement professionals.</p>
<p>Gbzz explained it most succinctly yet &#8220;A cop&#8221; still missed it.  The gist is that &#8220;cyclists must hug the curb UNLESS there&#8217;s a hazard OR the lane is [this] narrow&#8221; where [this] is defined in (4)A-B.</p>
<p>Most surprising to me is how blindly people will generalize each other. Saying  &#8220;all cyclists blow stop signs&#8221; is like saying &#8220;all motorists drive SUVs&#8221;.  Think about it.</p>
<p>Motorists roll and/or blow stop signs ALL THE TIME.  Go sit at a 4-way stop and watch for a while.  In my opinion, the reason this doesn&#8217;t provoke more outrage is that so many motorists feel entitled to do it.  Yet it&#8217;s just as illegal either way.</p>
<p>By the way, I do stop at every stop sign.  And I wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if, at least half the time, the motorist behind me is cursing how long they are being forced to wait, for both the stop and my limited acceleration.  (My car is slow, my bicycle slower.)  More often than not, there is a second EMPTY lane they could&#8217;ve used to reduce their wait, but apparently decisions that would reduce such delays are beyond them.  Better to shift blame!  Let&#8217;s go rant on the internet!</p>
<p>Go reread the top of this page.  Bicyclists are People Too.  We are all people.  Some do stupid things sometimes.  A few do stupid things all the time.  For example, a few people do stupid/illegal things with guns (i.e. criminals).  Does that mean everyone with a gun is stupid and/or a criminal?  Would those of you advocating the &#8220;get &#8216;em off the streets&#8221; approach to cyclists apply the same argument to guns?</p>
<p>Are you going to have a totalitarian they-must-be-stopped freakout, or are you willing to consider the possibility that compromise may be required?</p>
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		<title>By: SR</title>
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		<dc:creator>SR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 11:22:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can uderstand drivers getting upset when a cyclist/commuter takes up a lane during rush hour, as it adds to the already conjested stressfull ride to and from work. And i do my best to stick to the sidewalk when riding one of these streets. but not all the sidewalks are continuous, they abrubtly end for no reason, or have a 10 inch curb you need to ride off and on, which in doing so can damage a bike&#039;s wheels in no time. Being an avid commuter, i can not always ride side streets to my destination. So don&#039;t blame me or hate me for being forced to ride on the street. Thank the golf courses that block my path. Thank the rich people who live in there private gated communities that prevent me from riding the side streets. Thank your local elected officals for not providing me with a bike lane, bike path, or sidewalk. I thank the motorists who put up me on the road, the one that stop at stop signs and allow me to cruise thru safely, you live in nice neighborhoods, and i feel safe riding thru them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can uderstand drivers getting upset when a cyclist/commuter takes up a lane during rush hour, as it adds to the already conjested stressfull ride to and from work. And i do my best to stick to the sidewalk when riding one of these streets. but not all the sidewalks are continuous, they abrubtly end for no reason, or have a 10 inch curb you need to ride off and on, which in doing so can damage a bike&#8217;s wheels in no time. Being an avid commuter, i can not always ride side streets to my destination. So don&#8217;t blame me or hate me for being forced to ride on the street. Thank the golf courses that block my path. Thank the rich people who live in there private gated communities that prevent me from riding the side streets. Thank your local elected officals for not providing me with a bike lane, bike path, or sidewalk. I thank the motorists who put up me on the road, the one that stop at stop signs and allow me to cruise thru safely, you live in nice neighborhoods, and i feel safe riding thru them.</p>
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		<title>By: Scubaluke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scubaluke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 10:56:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks A Cop, I am glad to see I am following all the laws. I admit I am one of those cyclists who rolls threw stop signs and runs red lights. I have no choice I am not doing it to keep my pace, I am doing it for my own safety. At least the stop signs, red lights I will wait for the light to turn but I do not have enough metal mass to trip the sensors. What would you propose I do sit there and wait for a vehicle to arrive? Along my commute route there are 4 lights that have waited for up to 5 minutes before I run the red light. I am not going to sit there for 20-30 minutes sorry that just does not make any sence; I use to do this when was riding my motorcycle also. I have written and called the cities those lights are in and I have had one response and that was more or less so sad to bad. I can tell you that I don’t roll through a stop sign or run a red light if there is cross traffic present. I make sure of that before I proceed so unless someone is driving an invisible car or driving down the street with their lights off at night I doubt I will have to worry about the guy who may hit me and his therapy needs. It is a calculated risk and it is a better risk then waiting to be hit from behind by some one driving an H2 while texting, fixing, their make up, and drinking their latte. Sorry but if I have to break a law to protect myself I will. I have a duty to my family, I have a duty to my friends and I have a duty to myself. I have to protect myself from other trying to harm me. If I get a ticket in one of these cites that would not respond to my request to turn the sensitivity up on the sensors then I will bring copies of the emails to court and I fight it. If I have to pay the ticket I will but if the cities are not going to work to try to make it safe for me to cross and intersection then I am going to do what I need to. If you can not see the difference in me rolling through a stop sign at 5-10 mph or a car blowing the same intersection at 30-40mph then I am wasting my breath and ya’lls time.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks A Cop, I am glad to see I am following all the laws. I admit I am one of those cyclists who rolls threw stop signs and runs red lights. I have no choice I am not doing it to keep my pace, I am doing it for my own safety. At least the stop signs, red lights I will wait for the light to turn but I do not have enough metal mass to trip the sensors. What would you propose I do sit there and wait for a vehicle to arrive? Along my commute route there are 4 lights that have waited for up to 5 minutes before I run the red light. I am not going to sit there for 20-30 minutes sorry that just does not make any sence; I use to do this when was riding my motorcycle also. I have written and called the cities those lights are in and I have had one response and that was more or less so sad to bad. I can tell you that I don’t roll through a stop sign or run a red light if there is cross traffic present. I make sure of that before I proceed so unless someone is driving an invisible car or driving down the street with their lights off at night I doubt I will have to worry about the guy who may hit me and his therapy needs. It is a calculated risk and it is a better risk then waiting to be hit from behind by some one driving an H2 while texting, fixing, their make up, and drinking their latte. Sorry but if I have to break a law to protect myself I will. I have a duty to my family, I have a duty to my friends and I have a duty to myself. I have to protect myself from other trying to harm me. If I get a ticket in one of these cites that would not respond to my request to turn the sensitivity up on the sensors then I will bring copies of the emails to court and I fight it. If I have to pay the ticket I will but if the cities are not going to work to try to make it safe for me to cross and intersection then I am going to do what I need to. If you can not see the difference in me rolling through a stop sign at 5-10 mph or a car blowing the same intersection at 30-40mph then I am wasting my breath and ya’lls time.</p>
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		<title>By: Tim Rogers</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tim Rogers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jun 2008 04:32:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good conversation, folks. Thanks for (mostly) keeping it productive. I&#039;m working now on getting a thought-provoking story into the &quot;print product&quot; that will explore some of these issues. Stay tuned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good conversation, folks. Thanks for (mostly) keeping it productive. I&#8217;m working now on getting a thought-provoking story into the &#8220;print product&#8221; that will explore some of these issues. Stay tuned.</p>
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		<title>By: LHCommuter</title>
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		<dc:creator>LHCommuter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I like how all the anti-bike posts pretty much boil down to &quot;they have it coming to them.&quot;

Never mind that we have spouses, kids, work, pay taxes, vote, etc. It sounds like in the grand scheme of things our lives just aren&#039;t worth as much as those of people behind the wheel.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I like how all the anti-bike posts pretty much boil down to &#8220;they have it coming to them.&#8221;</p>
<p>Never mind that we have spouses, kids, work, pay taxes, vote, etc. It sounds like in the grand scheme of things our lives just aren&#8217;t worth as much as those of people behind the wheel.</p>
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