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I’m glad to see Saturday action Wick, good job.

As for the topic, what can you expect from a politician that doesn’t just embrace, he squeezes as he hugs the likes of Rod Parsley?

The very same Rod Parsley McCain had to distance himself. Parsley is the kind of flake, well the kind of flake our good governor squeezes as he hugs.

I do hope the state gets bit good and hard for the FLDS fiasco. It’s a good technique for training little kids, bite them for biting, so I don’t see why it won’t work on Texas.

Ronnie, the courts were right. They never said it was OK to molest a child. They disagreed with the way the evidence was collected. If anything, the blame for not presenting a good case lays completely with the state of Texas, who endangered those potentially molested children and have possibly subjected many more to that same fate because they didn’t take a few additional hours to make sure the initial outcry was legit.
Those people at the YFZ ranch weren’t going anywhere. The authorities already said they had an informant on the inside. Another few weeks, perhaps, and they would have been able to execute a warrant that would stand up in court, and would have been able to do this correctly.

I agree, Trey. But if there was evidence – so I guess potentially should be swapped with allegedly – to be had, I think it’s forever gone now since it would’ve had to have been in the form of witness testimony.

From what I’ve read, record-keeping on the FLDS ranches is vague at best. Finding some sort of “smoking gun” is probably never going to happen.

What kills me is that the judiciary is one of the most twisted, warped and embarrassing things about this country; and daily, in multiple courts across America, laws and statutes are violated and disregarded, due process rights-both procedural and substantive-are ignored, and yet in one of the rare instances that calls for bending or breaking the rules everyone is up in arms about procedure. Good heavens, is this really the scenario to make a case about procedure out of? I mean…really?

Trey & Co: Circumstancial evidence has put a man on death row in one of the most liberal states on this nation. That Texas is so gung-ho on want evidence-considering its tellar record, anyway-is ludicrous.

(Crowds of taxpaying villagers taking to the streets in praise of logic and balanced jornalistic reprisal following court rulings…chanting in unison:) “Wick. Wick. Wick”

So basically, you’re saying that several presumed wrongs make it OK to do it in this case, too? Interesting.

I do need to make one thing clear – I don’t think the usual rank and file CPS folk are goons. I’ve gotten to know a lot of them in my line of work, and many of them are underpaid, underappreciated and are completely invested in making sure the cases assigned to them are cared for well.

No, thats not necessarily my point Bethany though I can see how it can be construed that way. I don’t think that the CPS workers-any of the state employees or enforcers in this matter-are behaving as “goons”; in fact this is a rare instance when they don’t come across as “evangelists of law enforcement” in any manner. My point is that we are asked to revere the law and it is circumvented, violated, manipulated daily-and *this* is the case everyone gets worked up about? Oy vey.

There is concern, and they acted on it. If certain procedure is broken, life goes on.

Laws are meant to be broken. This would be one of those times to find it agreeable. It happens daily, people, so apparently its not criminal…

I was actually referring to Trey’s usage of the word “goon” Eva.

And I’m with Jack. Your logic confounds me. It also will not hold up in a court of law if you try to use it to get out of a crime, by the way. “Yeah, but he did it first,” didn’t work in third grade, and it’s not going to work here, either.

What we’re trying to say is that if the law had been followed, things might’ve stuck, and might’ve been provable. You just might have seen any victims of alleged abuse cared for in a long term way. Now, it will be nearly impossible to convict.

For one thing – they have ranches just like the one in El Dorado all over the country, as well as one in British Columbia.

Sometimes doing things the right way means things stick, and the good you do is longer lasting. What exactly was accomplished here?

Eva

Your honesty makes you my new Sunday hero.

I think we are all on the same page. If, indeed child molestation happened, then someone needs a to be in the slammer. Law officials who break the law while trying to right another law, cost the taxpayers millions and leave the “evil doers” out in the street.

Happy fathers day and happy football cups!

You know this FLDS is a good thing in a funny, funny peculiar more than funny ha-ha as my grandma would say, kind of way.

I mean you have these thugs, as Trey so eloguently put it, busting into this compound to protect children from the evils of a closed society.

And what is this closed society all about we might ask? Isn’t it about protecting children from the evils of an open society?

It’s gotta be tough being a kid these days.

OK, they leave – but does that make them stop? Now we’re going all NIMBY.

I never said that they shouldn’t be stopped. I said they should be stopped through the correct application of the law, and within the bounds of that law. So far, they have no admissible evidence that will hold up in court, so the help provided may have done more harm than good.

This isn’t a situation with a black and white – there’s a very uncomfortable gray.

amanda

You couldn’t be more right. I have been kissing up to Wick and now you have brought attention to it. I’m a little embarrassed that you busted me on it. And, yes I do agree with everyone except Ronnie, while we all may agree that I am a moron, I am not a child molester, nor do I think anyone is that doens’t agree with the CPS in this situation. I have been a slave to the beat since YAZ came out with “Man in Uniform”.

Hope you had a great Father’s Day and have a wonderful week coming up.

I gather you have far more insight into this ranch as you know for a fact that this is an incestious ranch? Is that like that John Edwards the psychic or do you have a pervadar? Either way, you could be of great service to CPS with this skill. I’m not kidding. I think we can all agree that the state needs all the help they can get on this case that started with a prank phone call and ended up with over 450 children placed in unusual surroundings with total strangers. The state of Texas would never do anything so absurd if they didn’t have all the facts and all their ducks in a row.
You know, like Waco. If someone came into my house and tried taking my kids without the proper documentation, I might consider that kidnapping and a nightmare.

Jack, why do you think they did DNA on 430 children? For fun?

Nice to see you are back to your old tricks.

Jack, most, if not all of your “insights” eventually lead to 1) a personal attack, 2) a refernce to Baptists, and 3)some tie-in to your sexuality. None of which edify or advance a discussion…

For more information on 1,2,3 see your above posts.

Post away, Jack, just don’t make it about yourself (or anyone else)…just the topic at hand.

That’s what I like to hear. You should go huntin’ or fishin’ with my other half. Of course, you would be in in an fabulous ensemble by Robert Graham, camo with a preppy stripe, but both men would happily dive into a plate of calf fries at a truck stop in west Texas and discuss what a bitch I am.

And,Bethany wins! Gotcha takes over converstation, debate or wit! Collect 200 bucks as you pass go…

And what about those darn FLDS?