Comments on: ‘Yearning For Zion’: State Keeps Kids Despite the Facts

By: Worried

Worried — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:24:18 +0000

You know I feel for both these children and the parents. I feel that some of the things that they are teaching their children are wrong but that is their choice. However I think that they know they shouldnt marry a 16 year old girl. The age they used to marry was 21 then lowered to 18 and then 16 and that it may now sit at 14 or 15. I do find something wrong with this practice and hidding it under a religion doesnt make it any less against the law. If this is what they are teaching their children is right then they are teaching them to be sexual victiums and preditors. I would like to know what else is going on inside that compound. I have looked on the net and still have a few books to read but so far I have not found what their actual beliefs are? Marrying multiple young women is not the only thing this cult is about.

By: lulajosephine

lulajosephine — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 19:15:49 +0000

Our society accepts a child living with mom & stepdad. Dad is remarried, stepdad has an ex-wife and kids. The kid is surrounded by half siblings, step siblings, and full siblings. Sounds just like FLDS. CPS loves to play “God.”

By: ETJase

ETJase — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:58:12 +0000

Just wait and see what comes out of the going investigation of this scet. Children are being abused and used. The state is in the process of gathering all the needed facts and when it is finished all you who are crying foul will have to shut up. Most of the men from the scet have left and will not be back. I say good. Take this scet and go back to Utha where the state looks the other way and allows this sin to be commited time after time. If they don’t want to follow the laws in Texas then they can and I hope they do leave.

By: Wes Mantooth

Wes Mantooth — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:44:56 +0000

Seems to me that one of the problems in thinking about this matter is that it’s easy to paint with a broad brush. Jody, your points are well taken, but not relevant here: I don’t think there are any allegations of open skull fractures or incestuous pregnancies _in this case_. No good person is in favor of either of those things.

The problem is that we cannot use a parade of horribles to judge in specific cases. Justice is not, and can not, be decided 416 cases at a time; it has to be, and can only be, determined on a case-by-case basis.

By: Kristin

Kristin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 15:35:15 +0000

Harvey, I don’t feel that I have an agenda against polygamists. I thought I made it pretty clear in my comment that I don’t care what they do. I may not understand it or agree with it personnally but it’s their lives. I take issue with the children. And I don’t know why you think I was “screaming,” I was trying to lighten the mood with a little humor. And yes, I do think the mother’s who dress up their daughters and parade them around as little “whores” are in the wrong too. Does that make you feel better? Whatever, you feel what those people are doing is okay and that’s your choice. I see them breeding children to marry off and, to me, that’s wrong. End of story. And I know this can just go back and forth, but I’ve stated my point and that’s that.

By: Brian

Brian — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 13:58:17 +0000

Gerbils, raising a child to believe that they must marry an older man who has _chosen her_ to be his spiritual bride and bear his children at the risk of her eternal soul is brainwashing, yes.

And I also agree with Kristin that neither homosexuality nor open marriages (and I do not mean to equate the two at all – I don’t understand open marriage relationships) are none of the state’s business, and none of mine.

But when minor children are involved and are being raised to be sex slaves and teenage mothers, I think the state has an obligation to intervene.

By: Harvey Lacey

Harvey Lacey — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:59:12 +0000

Whoa that filter is sensitive! I didn’t use a bad word, really. Think, “Someone who Loves the University of Texas Sometimes.”

By: Harvey Lacey

Harvey Lacey — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 11:56:50 +0000

I’m sorry Kristen. But you sound like a person with nothing but an agenda against polygamy for whatever reason.

I will agree that it is immoral to raise a girl to believe she’s naught but a sex object. It doesn’t matter if she’s a child in the YFZ compound or she is the daughter of Joe Simpson.

I also believe that it is immoral to raise a young lady up believing her role in life is to produce babies. I really don’t see any difference between the YFZ and the likes of Rod Dreher when it comes to this. There’s a lot more to life than making babies. Mostly raising them to become better people than their parents were.

So when you go off on YFZ raising these poor little girls up to become religious sluts for old men I wonder where you were last week when the Playboy search for young ladies with killer bods to pose nude for men of all ages.

Bottom line, what is the difference between YFZ’s mission statement on women and the mission statement of America on women? And would you agree that it’s the mothers in our society that are dressing up their little girls like sluts and not necessarily the fathers?

Would you agree that the mother who dresses up her darlin’ daughter like a slut on the prowl is at least as bad if not worse than the mother in the YFZ compound that is raising her daughter to be a polygamist?

More interesting to me, which is the more prevelant and has more of a detrimental effect on the bulk of young girls in our society?

So when I look at your screaming about those poor little girls I have to wonder what’s up with you. Is it the monochrome monostyle dresses and hair or what?

By: Kristin

Kristin — Wed, 23 Apr 2008 00:28:49 +0000

Gerbils, I don’t really know why you keep bringing this back to the homosexual issue. I’m not against homosexuals in the slightest, in fact, one of my best friends is gay, but all of that is really besides the point. I feel as if you’re taking my comments personally. Oh, and just so you know, there are some here who feel my comments are worthy of this discussion. Sorry, but let’s be honest. I don’t know any 17-year-old who would willingly marry an 80-year-old, unless maybe there was some money involved. Just a joke, but seriously. Despite your ignorance of the fact that the 14 year old was infact pushed into a marriage she didn’t want to be in, have you ever stopped to consider that this probably happens to the rest of them? Why do you think the women don’t want to give their last names? Because many of them are married to the same man and they probably have been since they were children. They weren’t given a choice. Oh, and where ARE all the men during this? They’re supposed to be the strong ones caring for their family and instead they stay in the shadows like cowards letting their wives deal with the cameras and police. Why? Because they know that what they’re doing is wrong-bottom line. And before you preach to me about legality-the fact is that polygamy is illegal, oh, and so is marrying a minor (unless you have your parents consent, but since all these people are in cahoots with each other anyway, they probably sign the documents when they are still toddlers) But between you and me, I don’t really care if two grown adults want to have an open marriage-honestly, I don’t care about these people being polygamists all that much. I think it’s nuts, but whatever, I’m not doing it. What I do care about is the fact that these people breed to create new child brides for the older men. That, Gerbils, is what is wrong and sick. (See, no exclamation points this time

By: Gerbils

Gerbils — Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:42:07 +0000

Raising a kid with specific beliefs about sexuality and relationships is “brainwashing”? Then CPS has their work cut out for them as they proceed to liberate all the kids who are brainwashed into believing that they’re going to hell if they masturbate, have premarital sex, or happen to be gay.