Yup, it’s true. Have a look. It’s a little hard to parse. We’re waiting to see if we get served (or pwned). I talked to our attorney, Don Templin, over at Haynes and Boone this morning. He said he was considering filing a response in rhyme.
P.S. No, she didn’t show up at Wick’s house to protest on Saturday. In a note the HP Dept. of Public safety, she wrote: “We have decided to go door to door in Highland Park first asking the consumers of the advertisers in the Magazine to support our cause. This is the safest and most effective way. Further, can you advise me when the next Highland Park city council meeting is. We should reach more people that way.”
Update: Several of you have pointed out to me via e-mail that it’s not technically a suit. Yes, see John’s comment at 12:51 p.m.
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Stupidity truly does know no bounds.
Did the protest happen outside Wick’s house?
My favorite part is on page two: “…will assist in identifying the potential defendantzs…”
This is the kind of stuff that clogs up our judicial system? Really?
If this is really legit, I bet you could take about half of the cases that are on court dockets across the state and just throw them out the window. Unbelievable.
Also, is Tim legally required to respond since this was sent c/o tim roDgers? and not Tim Rogers?
We don’t have to do anything unless a constable shows up and serves us. It is unclear whether that will happen. Stay tuned.
Constable won’t be showing up. I torched his car.
If he does show up to serve us, Tim, could you ask him to bring me a #1 – plain and dry – with a large coke? Thanks.
There she goes, spelling Tim’s name wrong and messing up the zip code in our address. Do any lawyers out there know if a) The case against D can be thrown out because of this, and b) We are legally required to release the names of our anonymous blog-posters? (Don’t want to be accused of practicing law without a license…)
Don’t worry, Tim. Eventually, her copy of this document will wind up sitting in a corner of her closet along with the appropriated caucus ballots.
@Dave Thomas – The ’s’ and ‘z’ are pretty close on the keyboard. Maybe it was a tiepow? =)
As a “potential defendantzs” (for exercising my 1st ammendment rights), let me say this, to public officical Sandra Crenshaw, your suit is full of the Harvard-worthy diction I would expect. (Did you hear that, John Harvard just rolled over in his grave…) As a former student in the Ivy League climate (not at Harvard but at a school in NH) I get great pleasure out of picturing Sandra, in crimson, chanting “H-A-R- R with a V, V-A-R-R with a D,” followed with, instead of the usual bored “go get ‘em boys,” a hearty “Pick me Massa Pick Me”. (direct S. Crenshaw quote) Note to JimS, the only “Amos & Andy in any blog post to date is from your muse, Sandra, not from the bloggers. Sandra Crenshaw is an embarrassment to this city. In that spirit, let’s have a debate. Sandra vs. Any Generic Blogger. Murmur…
Can we get a special print supplement dedicated to this chick mailed with our regular ol’ D’s?
sandra couldn’t spell ‘Harvard’ if you spotted her all four of the ‘r’s.
I’m trying to remember, and maybe someone in the legal profession can tell me – do you have to pay before things get served?
Because I don’t see where she’s paid yet: http://img222.imageshack.us/img222/6730/sclawsuitne6.jpg
Lawsuits and protests! This is going to be a fun spring!
Oy vey…
Dammit.
The link to the suit isn’t working for me.
I’ve tried both Firefox and Safari.
I’m antsy to read today’s chapter of this endlessly entertaining saga.
It’s like sweeps week for you.
Link is working now.
Have you seen my baseball?
Can I be sued, too? This is too much fun.
Mee too. I’m loaded! I’ve got money too. *rimshot*
Link didn’t work for me but I right clicked and chose “copy shortcut” and then pasted in my browser.
The only things missing from this circus are the two clowns by the name of Sharpton and Jackson.
mark cahill, of course you can be sued. According to Sandra: “anyone can be sued for anything at anytime.” I unfortunatley had to read her ramblings to deduct this. She is a pimple on the a$$ of Dallas. MC, expect the 5-oh at any minute…
I’m not sure that it’s accurate to characterize this as a lawsuit. While “hard to parse” is an understatement, I think this can best be understood as a amateurish attempt to invoke Rule 202 of the Texas Rules of Civil Procedure, which provides a vehicle through which one can conduct an investigation (through depositions, typically) of a potential claim before an actual lawsuit is filed.
Careful Amanda, lest we be a sheeple.
John, you’re right. I should have clarified the headline. It’s not technically a lawsuit. She’s looking for information.
And Quick Question, you’re right, too. It appears that she hasn’t paid yet, which is why I said we were waiting to see if we’d get served. It’s not clear whether we will.
TIM (Opens official-looking envelope; surveys contents briefly): Gulp! This ain’t no Texas Two Step!
I want to know who Releif is (sounds Scandanavian to me) and why she’s praying for him. Maybe he’s a defendantzs. But that sounds more Czech or Hungarian.
Yanno, this is predictable, and we’re all running the risk of being bullies now. Yes, Sandra Crenshaw has a problem with the written word. Perhaps her forte is the spoken word – I can’t tell based on a whispered phone call.
But maybe it’s time to stop picking apart what she types. It’s like flogging a three-legged, flea-bitten, side-show bear – sad, unnecessary, and overkill.
I’ll admit, I’m guilty, too, but if we’re going to address something, find something more salient than the presence or absence of intelligence, education or mental health of Sandra Crenshaw. The better discussion, maybe, would be whether or not there’s legal precedence for getting the information of anonymous commenters on a blog. Has she met the threshold for defamation in this state? There are lots of really important and intelligent questions we can answer here without being bullies.
She can’t type. It’s clear. We can. Yay. Is it time to move on?
$230 buys a lot of Cactus Juice and Earl Campbell links. I don’t think you’ll be getting served.
Bethany, that’s a thoughtful post.
Regarding parsing and piling on her gibberish, I agree, especially since your simile about flogging the side-show bear is so striking.
Regarding attention, no, Sandra continues to invite scrutiny at least. This is an officer of the electoral system, a past and possible future city council member, who first failed to discharge her duties as an officer of the electoral system. (”take it home and correct it” is more suited to third-world elections than a harrowing, more-important-than-usual election.)
Now she threatens legal action against her critics without valid explanation of her outrageous, publicized actions. Although I did not vote in her precinct, I want every vote counted properly in every precinct, or I want public explanations and then corrective action. Since the Dem party has failed to address this, who else but citizens, mean-spirited flagellators that we are, can hold her to account? And if that verges into bullying, then we must raise our standards and keep our goal in mind – accountability from our officials.
And where are those Dem party officials? Anybody? Bueller?
Hey Dartmouth, I think the word you’re looking for is “deduce”, not deduct. Kettle holding for you on line 1…
I agree. An open discussion about the events of election night is productive. A discussion, as I mentioned before, about what might happen should she decide to move forward legally with a suit, worth having.
But let’s move past her typing skills.
Anybody notice the email address and phone number near her contact info?
She’s published both before here in the blog – the e-mail, anyway.
p.s.
For me, her claim to have been associated with the TSU “speech team” still sticks in my craw, and she set herself up for further ridicule on the way to accusations of falsifying her record.
For the record,
That wouldn’t be that hard to verify. Dr. Freeman still teaches at TSU – and his e-mail address and phone number are listed in the faculty listings, if you look in the Fine Arts department.
You’re right, of course, Bethany. Still, it’s kind of like trying to soberly discuss the fraudulent activities of the Reverend Robert Tilton. It’s possible only until you see him open his mouth. Then, the comedy value is of such a magnitude as to prove irresistible.
a safe bet: Dr. Freeman has by now already ripped his phone from its wallplug, thrown the unit out of his second-floor window, and cursed the day that they made a movie about his debate team so as to allow people to attach themselves to his success with dubious claims.
please let’s not call Dr. Freeman.
two questions:
1. How does Ms. Crenshaw seek to ‘punish’ (or whatever) all ‘bloggers’ (she means ‘posters’) on websites? She gonna go through every phone book in the world and call every guy named ‘Alfred’?
2. I’m still not clear on what Ms. Crenshaw actually does for a living (hey, JimS, surely she’s got some high-falutin’ job that you know about; do tell) but does her office not have in its employ a secretary? A typist? Her illiteracy is a matter of public record now. Just as damning, it does not appear as though she has a literate friend who owns a typewriter.
Put another way: If I was going to file a petition in a language foreign to me — say, a tort in Turkey — I would at least have the common sense to ask my Turkish pal to do the typing, you know?
Robert Tilton. Gawd, how I miss the days of Six Flags Over Jesus!!!!
I will never forget the episode when Marty explain how she was first learning to “speak in tongues” and all she could say was “caca caca.”
~sigh~
Alfred- btw, I can’t wait for Crenshaw to ask who Puddin’Tane is….
ask me again and I’ll tell ya the same!
This person was on the city council? Was she sane then?
Has Ms. Crenshaw ever actually sued anybody. She’s coming across as one of those people that uses the threat of legal action to bully people that will fall for it, but when it comes time to actually pony up for the retainer nothing ever happens. That would explain why she went to D’s lawyers instead of her own (it’s usually a dead give away when private citizens or very small business owners mention their “legal team”).
Years ago, a small-time operator here tried to impress some New York types by claiming that his contract was being reviewed by his team of eight lawyers. When he finished the call, I discovered that his “team of eight lawyers” was actually Snow White and the Seven Dwarfs.
Speaking of lawyers, where are the Democratic party lawyers? They’re increasingly, conspicuously absent. I can understand staying clear of Crenshaw’s precinct (careful, it could spatter on you, and we’ll never know the true count anyway), but for the whole state? In the Florida mess in the last presidential election, they were prominently in the re-counting rooms.
That’s because it was the presidential election, and not the primary. It was also, I’m guessing, because it was something a little (although not by much, apparently) easier to quantify – a ballot. People are used to voting. Sure, they screw it up some, but for the most part, they have the mechanics down. Standing over a bunch of old people recounting and re-examining ballots isn’t rocket science.
Caucusing in Texas, however, is not something most people have done, and organizing large numbers of people who arrive to caucus is not something precincts are prepared for, apparently. This makes those results a whole lot harder to quantify – especially when you go back and read some of the accounts posted around. There wasn’t just ONE precinct jacked up.
That being said, I can’t believe that the Democratic Party didn’t realize that there might be a lot of people wanting to vote and caucus. It’s not like Texas was the very first state voting, and there was no clue out there that there might be a lot of interest in this primary. Backup volunteers to help herd people and keep the lines moving, making sure there was enough supplies to caucus correctly, etc., all of these things might have made the ensuing melee a little less likely. To be honest, just like the DNC punished Michigan and Florida for holding their primaries too early, perhaps they should sanction Texas for holding theirs so sloppily.
To be honest, just like the DNC punished Michigan and Florida for holding their primaries too early, perhaps they should sanction Texas for holding theirs so sloppily. Bethany
Damn Bethany girl I swear you sound like a republican, suggesting that democrats should act like republicans do.
Ain’t going to happen. Ain’t going to happen because comparing republicans and democrats is like comparing cows and cats. Cats aren’t herd animals, neither are democrats.
The candidates knew going in the rules for winning in Texas. They just didn’t think it would matter because it would all be settled long before getting here.
The playing field was level. It was a fair and square game. I think what got the candidates messed up was the playing field wasn’t in a pasture, it was in a feed lot. That’s Texas for you. And I’m glad to say we’re getting more cats than cows these days.
Bethany, I am crying B.S. Both parties could have and should have had precint representatives in place…given immense media reports in Texas. I was a precint delegate previously, and all of the rules and regulations are written out, clearly ahead of time. You pick up your packet, and read it (I know, it assumes participants can READ, but work with me…). I knew exactly what to do. Lack of preparation? Maybe. System is broken? Exactly.
LOL Harvey. I’m actually pretty much completely neither.
la bonita amanda – The republicans didn’t need precinct reps in place. The repubs didn’t hold a caucus. And as far as I know, the republican primary voting process ran smoothly (the democrats’ primary ran smoothly too, it was their caucus that was a fiasco). But your basic point is correct. The Texas dems should have seen this coming a few weeks in advance and started training their precinct captains. If the democrats had both a primary and caucus in years past, I doubt anyone cared about how the caucuses were run since the outcome had no effect on who the nominee would be.
Which is pretty much what I’m saying, Amanda. From many of the reports I’ve read, the precinct reps seemed overwhelmed and sometimes under-informed – and definitely ill-prepared for the massive influx of people wanting to caucus.
There’s a ton of anecdotal accounts of caucus night here on Frontburner, and if you do a Google search. I hate to say this, but the easiest google search to find caucus night stories is “Sandra Crenshaw.”
Bethany, it’s easy, think about it, cat–cow. Which would you rather have in your lap?
As for the democrats screwing up the caucuses, again, cat–cow. We know the republicans would never screw up like that, again, cat–cow. You don’t herd cats but then you don’t want cows around your valuables either.
I don’t think I said the GOP wasn’t capable of screwing up like that. I’m sure that, if given the opportunity, they could.
I know you’re speaking in hyperbole, but given that we’re talking about political parties made up of humans…
I’m not quite sure I follow. Of course, it could be the Nyquil.
I didn’t say the Republicans had a caucus. I said only that I was a prec. delegate. Leading up to the election, I saw the media reports of “vote twice” for ____. And, I thought…this could be bad. I think the system statewide should be uniform. If one side of the aisle does “X”, then that is what the other side should do, even if they are different parties…they still are voters in the same state. You know, that would be too logical though, and would not involve cactus juice or links… And, another thing: The media reports about Clinton “magically” discovering the process in Texas. I said a week or so before the election that she was going down (actually said “toast”, which some of you took exception to. She was in Texas 30 years ago, working campaigns, she knew the deal, and I know she knew the deal, because I met her in 1992, in NH, and she was delighted to meet a co-ed from Texas, she commented about our “unusual” primary/caucus system (this was at the debate at St. Anselm college). Not that unusual as it turns out, several states operate in this way, and the parties are able to operate independent of each other. Regardless of grammar, punctuation, and the like, Crenshaw’s behavior at and after the election is embarrassing. I may not be a democrat, but denying anyone’s right to vote (or caucus) is WRONG. You don’t just take the forms home with you, and stop by Denny’s for a short stack. Those documents are SACRID. Sandra Crenshaw, by her own account(s) has made a mockery of the system. It is a travesty, and if my words seem harsh, they are, deliberately so. The caucus documents didn’t belong to her, they belong to US, “the people.” Anyone care to explain to me how Ms. Crenshaw’s behavior of taking the forms “home” to correct them differs from denying a right to vote. Sandra Crenshaw = Jim Crow of the 21st century.
I agree that caucus results should be taken as seriously as ballots. I think that, just as the ballots are taken immediately, the caucus results should be turned in immediately, too. Even if it’s 2 a.m. before everyone’s caucused in a particular precinct.
I’ve also covered quite a few elections – in and out of Texas. It’s not that unusual for a candidate to have a representative on hand to oversee and report back on the proceedings. So the fact that there were two Obama supporters from out of state present at Sandra Crenshaw’s precinct that night is not surprising. At some point in that electoral mosh pit, some Clinton campers probably popped by, too.
Amanda, going to school in New Hampshire atually does not put you in the Ivy League, unless you went to Dartmouth,; which I doubt, because if you had been smart enough to go to Dartmouth you would have been smart enough to understand the nature of Sandra’s filing. which was not a lawsuit but WAS a jump ahead of you and geniuses like Don Templin, a lawyer, who didn,t bother to analyze it any better than you did but nevertheless felt sure enough of his ground to make a racist crack about it. Ah, the Park Cities. Where else could so many second rate people feel so first rate about themselves? Nowhere East of Arkansasz.
Guess what, Amanda? She’s smarter than you.
JimS, it’s par for the couse with you. Rather than addres Ms. Crenshaw’s tragic actions, you go on the attack. Just like you, I have the right to speak freely. You don’t like what I have to say, so you attack. Her “lawsuit” will go nowhere…she seems not to understand basic elements of Texas law. Any damage done to her on this blog was done by her own words. Ms. Crenshaw threw the race card, from the start. Her postings became more and more toxic. And then you jump in. Remember Friday night? You were gearing up for the biggest racial confrontation in the history of Dallas, with Ms. Chrenshaw as your patron saint. You were going to call the news desks…what happened? They heard ‘Sandra Crenshaw’ and you heard a click. When you couldn’t get any traction there, you posted your insight on Ms. Crenshaw’s intellect vs. the rest of us, thus setting her up for additional criticism. Don’t set out bait, and complain when it was taken. And again, the “racial” comments, the ones you don’t like are taken directly from Ms. Crenshaw’s words.
I didn’t say the Republicans had a caucus. I said only that I was a prec. delegate. Leading up to the election, I saw the media reports of “vote twice” for ____. And, I thought…this could be bad. I think the system statewide should be uniform. If one side of the aisle does “X”, then that is what the other side should do, even if they are different parties…they still are voters in the same state. The amanda
Jeez Louieez girls, most folks already believe it doesn’t matter which party you vote for. You’re still getting pig in a polk salad. We don’t need pairity. We need parity.
Invariably when someone complains about the democrat way of voting in Texas it’s a republican speaking up. Republicans seem to have a herd mentality. Look at talk radio, doesn’t work for democrats and that drives the republicans crazy. If you listen to them you’d think prefering singing over whining is a character flaw.
Speaking of whining, I’m going to do a little here. I don’t have a high school diploma and am not really interested in getting one. However, even as uneducated as I am I know about pee breaks.
I wish a couple of highly educated and supposedly really really smart folks here knew about pee breaks. Amanda and Sandra we need pee breaks when y’all rant.
Paragraphs are a good thing.
I’m not quite sure I follow. Of course, it could be the Nyquil. Bethany
Not to worry girl, it isn’t the Nyquil. It’s me. I usually know quite well what I want to say. Just my fingers aren’t near as fast as the mind. I think it’s catatrophy.
Sorry for the lack of paragraphs. I’m typing on a Blackberry. It’s hard to see what I’ve typed until it’s posted.
Harvey, you are a jewel, a human Hallmark card. Your adoption story was one of the best, if not the best thing I’ve read in D, ever.
Harvey, I don’t remember if I told you or not, because the doctor gave me this awesome cough syrup called Tussionex (which factored in to my weekend plans prominently, btw), but I laughed really hard about your 93 year old friend.
Of course, I was drugged. If anyone has a foolproof cough remedy, send it my way.
Well it seems that the Burrito Supreme Court of Frontburner have come to the conclusion that Sandra Crenshaw has no case for a lawsuit. That said, can she be given credit for creating the longest dialogue between Bethany and THE Amanda in the history of this blog?
If the Lady Crenshaw has accomplished one thing it is that she has taken the relationship between these two to the next level. Gawd bless Amiracle!
Actually, the longest dialogue between Bethany and the Amanda occurs over salad at Three Forks.
And if you read, I believe I’ve asked for a little more than “Sandra Crenshaw has no case for a lawsuit.” If you actually read posts, you’d see that I asked some fairly open-ended questions.
I’m actually pretty interested in how this would shake out. If she were able to get the things she’s asked for in discovery, some of them would be fairly important and noteworthy for other blogs as well.
Is TWP actually Dr. Phil? Bethany, I still heart you…and Harvey.
I heart you, too. BTW, I checked the schedule, and it looks like you have Tim butt-kissing duty from 5 p.m. to 7 p.m. Thursday, and I have it on Friday. Well, I might need to switch….
I love Bethany and THE Amanda more than life itself. It is like reading The L Word on The D Blog.
You guys rock my mud!
And there we go. Now we’re lesbians.
You guys really do need new porn.
TWP, you big fat shark jumper you…. Bethany smells like pancakes, and I can’t stand that. The aroma of links and cactus juice also jeopardizes her status. It’s # 1, 2, and 3 on my turn-offs. #1 on my turn-ons, however, is an average white guy who falls asleep before M*A*S*H, or L & O re-runs…
Amanda, the fact that story was published in D was because Tim Rogers did what he does best, well, except for the editing, I’m still smarting from my old addage “lower than whale ****, and that’s at the bottom of the ocean” becoming “lower than a snake’s belly.”
Seriously though, Tim and staff jumped through hoops to get that one in and they deserve all the credit.
My daughter is still my hero. She always will be.
Bethany, somewhere in Oklahoma allegedly there’s a couple of steno pads full of graffiti pulled from womens room walls in state parks. This was back in the sixties and early seventies. My dear galfriend and her best bud were married to a couple of stay at home country boys. So the two women traveled these here United States taking vacations in a pickup truck with a camper shell. They visited 46 of 48 states and they kept a log of the graffiti they found in womens rooms. Now that would make a book.
I’ve been blessed with strong women in my life. I read Trey on FB with his pistolever talk and it never fails to make me smile. My grandma introduced some local boys who wanted to scare the woman with all the kids camped outside of town to the intimacy of buckshot. They raised a ruckus and caught some buckshot in the butt for their trouble. That was in the thirties, nineteen thirties, and grandpa and the older boys were away working.
One of my aunts as a teen chambered a round into a thirty thirty to make her point to a repo man wanting to take an uncle’s ride. She felt he should do his job face to face with bro rather than sneaking in while he was at work. That was the fifties, nineteen fifties.
My galfriend, there’s a story I never asked her about I heard from friends. Something along the line of that Dixie Chicks song about Earl. I do know she got by on sixty acres up there on the Red River off of a cow or two, the pecans she harvested on the halves, and a garden. When times were tough, she was tougher. And my Gawd, she loved a dirty joke. We’d tell them until we cried, embarrassed my poor wife to death more than once.
Her husband lasted eight days after she died. He’s the inspiration for my description of my wife, “she’s the best thing about me.”
He was three parts ornery in a two part recipe. His one redeeming quality was she loved him, loved him dearly.
One day I was having lunch with them and the topic of sex in a relationship came up. You have to keep in mind her husband was deaf as a stump, supposedly. I say supposedly because I think he was playing deaf after that conversation.
She told me she’d only loved two men. The first husband was the sorriest lover that ever lived. Then she reached over and patted her husband on the leg and told he was the best lover the world had ever known.
He grinned like a chelshire cat.
Amanda, I had this waiting for me when I got in last night.
How did you find this website?
Through your Adoption.Com story
Where are you from?
Australia
Please enter your comments?
I was very sad to read your description of how you ’supported’ your daughter into giving up her precious daughter for adoption. It almost appears as if you coerced her into this decision but it is hard to know without more information. I wonder if she regrets this loss and thinks of what could of been all those years ago with support from her family. To suggest that it is okay for the adoptive family to stop sending photo’s is disgraceful and it seem that you just brush it away with the back of your hand as “the way it has to be”. Having your new Grandson (who isn’t that new now according to the dates on your site) is all great because it’s happened at the right time in her life does not capture the enormity of the grief she will live with for the rest of her life. And, who knows how her daughter is managing without her mother in her life. I feel for your daughter. I hope she is okay. I hope you can read and learn more about the trauma of adoption and I also hope you have changed your tune somewhat from those early days. All the best,
I deleted her name of course but what a great opportunity to create a conversation, agreed?
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