Re: Two Men Who Nearly Ruined Dallas

A slow clap for commenter Bob Stoller, who sums up my initial response:

I guess that Mac Taylor (the original desegregation judge) and the thousands of white-flighters in the ’60s and ’70s aren’t responsible for any of these consequences.

58 Comments to “Re: Two Men Who Nearly Ruined Dallas”
  • SB

    You still have a city that is 49% white, so it’s not like Dallas has suffered the same fate as cities like Detroit, which have almost no white residents. It would be nice if you could live in Dallas and have the population of the schools in your neighborhood reflect the surrounding demographic. But you know what? Wealthy people who live in Preston Hollow or Lakewood don’t want to send their kids to schools that are 80% Mexican. Dallas’ bussing rules are archaic. Why is a school only considered diverse if it’s all brown?

  • Wick Allison

    Indeed it was Mac Brown who signed the first desegregation order, but it was Barefoot Sanders who kept it in effect for thirty years as the DISD collapsed around him. Blaming white flight on the parents seems to be the only argument that liberals can make in face of the facts, as if parents don’t have a responsibility to their children to get them the best education they can. For the last ten years, Dallas has experienced black flight for the same reasons. Are we going to blame those parents too? Wake up and smell the coffee, Stoller.

  • the amanda

    Bob Stoller was mean to Dave Little, too.

  • Brown Bess

    It’s times like these when the 1960’s Dallas of spitting on Adlai Stevenson, and anti-UN screeds comes to the surface all over again. We’ve made so much progress!

  • Bob Stoops

    Wick, I blame Mac Brown (sic) too. Parents, I don’t care that your kids are illiterate or felons, as long as they can play. Send them up to me- We’ll call it “Athletic-Flight.”

  • Bob Stoller

    Sorry, Wick, I don’t buy your Starbucks. The historical pattern of the voters’ treatment of public schools has been one of abandonment and neglect. The DISD didn’t descend to its current state overnight, or by the stroke of a judge’s pen, or because of just one factor. It got here because the community at large made the choices (real estate development, road-building, tax policies, public housing, lack of support for integration efforts, failure to demand and support responsible school board members) that all but insured the failure of this system.

  • DeeRag

    I wonder how many black people have worked at D Magazine over the past ….oh say…5 years?????

  • Wick Allison

    To the great Bob Stoller: So now it’s not just parents who are to blame, it’s everybody — except for the man who took onto himself absolute control over the district for 30 years. Nice.

  • Bob Stoller

    Wick–It takes a village to ruin a village.

  • Mantooth

    It doesn’t take a village to ruin a village. Even the Jackson 5 knew the truth: one bad apple can spoil the whole bunch.

  • dave little

    Hey, when families live in Lakewood, yet send their kids to private schools instead of Woodrow, I think you have to blame the parents.

  • SB

    Well Bob Stoller, using your crazy liberal logic, I don’t want to hear anymore leftists blaming the state of our country on George Bush. It’s everybody’s fault.

  • Bob Stoller

    Well, SB, it’s not everybody’s fault–most of use didn’t vote for him in 2000, remember? It’s those liberal activist judges on the US Supreme Court who placed George Bush in office, remember?

  • ROJ

    When DISD stops sucking (for most) then people will start sending their kids there again. Maybe. Probably not. Oh well. Go St. Mark’s!

    PS. I blame the DISD administration, I think a lot of the teachers are great and try really hard in an awful system. I also blame Bush. And whoever it is that thinks standardized testing equals learning. And a bunch of other people. Just not the teachers. Got it?

  • buck

    School busing to achieve equal facilities didn’t turn out well for anybody.

    But I don’t think it’s fair to blame judges for what honest folks thought would be a solution.

    As far as 14-1 — Dallas definitely needed it.

    The problem has been a horrible map. Other cities have been able to implement single-member districts and still preserve neighborhood ties and a shared link to the central city.

  • Lee, Dallas, Texas

    Perhaps the demise of DISD and the inner city began with the blanket rezoning of established close-in East Dallas residential neighborhoods for apartments, creating slums. There are lots of reasons for cities evolving. Fortunately those areas are coming back, it just took 50 years.

  • IttyBittyWussy

    @DeeRag–

    JackE, the number who worked there is probably proportional to the number who applied.

    Was the intern photo overwhelmingly white? Yes. Were the resumes also overwhelmingly white? Yes.

    Would the intern photo at Al Dia be overwhelmingly brown? Yes. Would an intern photo at Dallas Voice be overwhelmingly gay? Yes.

    Is any of this necessarily a problem? No, unless you just like to go out of your way trying to bust Wick Allison’s balls 24-7.

  • Daniel

    SB, I actually agree with you there.

    I’ll also allow that liberals can be hamfisted and blinkered when it comes to making efficacious policy decisions. Desegregation was a necessary thing, but the effort was prosecuted stupidly.

    Without blaming parents who fled the DISD (and so many other urban school districts), I do laud those who stayed. If we want to play the parental blame game, there’s plenty to go ’round for parents who don’t value education or take an involved role in their kids’ schooling. I’ll leave it at that.

  • dave little

    ROJ, it will take parents who are willing to take a stand and make things better. Getting involved.

  • Bill

    In response to SB,

    The Dallas numbers of the 49% white population probably include Lake Highlands and Far North Dallas which are in the Richardson ISD.

    Also, I think the tax rolls still show that the City of Dallas/Dallas County residents north of 635 pay for 80% of the county’s and city’s annual budget.

  • ROJ

    Dave, Yes it will. But I’m too Chicken-S to take a stand with my kid. Lend me yours and I’m all for public education.

  • Lakewooder

    I am sure Wick and all the Parkies get down on their knees every night to thank Highland Park Judge Taylor for excusing them from the school desegregation suit.

    HP - still Ivory Soap white after all these years!

    And property values went through the roof!

    Thanks, Judge Taylor where ever you are!

  • Bubba

    SB-

    Neither Lakewood or Preston Hollow is 80% ‘Mexican’, nor any of the secondary schools they feed into. The plurality at Lakewood is actually white.

    Busing was stopped in 2003.

    Bill-

    The majority of the Dallas County tax base is concentrated inside LBJ, with the majority of that share inside loop 12. Those high rises on Main Street are worth a few dollars.

  • dave little

    ROJ, my kids are already there. Someone has to not be ***********.

  • Trey Garrison

    So because I choose to live in a city that has just six murders a year, better schools, and lower school taxes — I’m to blame for Dallas’ ills.

    Fine. Go hang. My life and my family’s lives are not a means for anyone else’s ends.

  • Lee, Dallas, Texas

    Lakewooder, I now live in Lakewood. For whatever reason that the HPISD was not consolidated by Judge Taylor, all in Dallas should be glad. Had there not been a solid, stable, middle to upper income residential base, the Park Cities and HPISD, in the inner city, Dallas would be a far worse place now. The Park Cities provided the base on which Oak Lawn, the M Streets, maybe Lakewood and more, were able to rejuvenate and become the thriving residential areas that they are. If the Park Cities had gone the way of Swiss Avenue, or near East Dallas, we would all be in a real mess. Cities come back by osmosis, spreading block by block.

  • SB

    Bubba,

    I wasn’t talking about the populations of those areas, but rather the percentage of minorities in the schools in those areas. The physical population of Preston Hollow is almost all white, so you think the local public schools would be some what reflective of that. However, just the opposite is true. Read the story from a few years back that the Observer did about a certain Preston Hollow elementary that was segregating the few white kids that went there into their own separate classes.

    Also, I love how uncomfortable the word “Mexican” makes people. Our PC culture has gotten to the point where we can’t identify people by their nationality. Once I see a preponderance of Spanish, Cuban and Central Americans here in Dallas, then I’ll start using the word Hispanic.

  • the amanda

    Six murders a year? I don’t like those odds.

  • Bobby Ewing

    What would Marty Cortland say?

  • Daniel

    Let me guess. Decatur?

  • Trey Garrison

    Plano

  • Bubba

    SB-

    I was talking about the schools too, would you like a tour? neither Lakewood Elementry or Preston Hollow Elementry are 80% Hispanic– add to the list Stonewall, Hexter, Pershing, Anne Frank, others too I’m sure.

    The single family homes in those areas are white, the multi family units are not. The schools naturally reflect this.

    No comment on the busing? You can only knock down straw men?

  • the amanda

    Marty would have no comment. Fridays are lightbulb days, and he is supervising his staff while thinking of “humorous” anecdotes from his life for his April column to alienate more D readers. Either that or putting a hit on Mrs. Courtland…

  • Lakewooder

    Lee - had there been no place to run, perhaps the desegregation plan ‘might’ have worked. Fortunately not many ran from Lakewood because of their love for the schools and strong support of public education. Now we are actually getting reverse white-flight from RISD and other areas to our schools.

    I’m not sure what you mean by going the way of Swiss Ave..the court order began not long before the renaissance of Swiss started about 1975. Look up the history of HPL or Preservation Dallas. And there was never busing in East Dallas (Woodrow cluster)- parents raised money to intervene in the suit to keep our ‘natural integration status’ - arguing all the way to the Supreme Court - and won.

    In any event, the Park Cities went from a well-to-do burb(s) with many middle class people to the Frankenstein it has become today. So - many people were well-paid by skyrocketing home prices and pent up demand from white-flight.

    Of course some may see it as a Pyrrich victory since all sense has gone out the window and a couple of generations of bigoted brats have been raised in what is accurately called “The Bubble”.

  • DeeRag

    Dear IttyBittyWussyHUH/

    I assume the answer to my question is zero.

    D Magazine has employed zero black people in the past five years. And somehow the itty bitty wussy knows it is because very few applied. It is only a problem if you suggest that your magazine is a true representation of the entire city. The Dallas Voice is a gay magazine. Al Dia is a Hispanic publication. Is D magazine for whites only?
    One doesn’t need to go out of their way to bust the balls of your boss, he puts them out there on a daily bases, one can’t help but bust them. Why would you get so defensive about it if there weren’t some thread of truth to the journalistic arrogance?

  • Bubba

    A little online trolling at the end of the day reveals Lakewood Elementary School to be 67% white, 25% hispanic, 4% black. Only 8% limited English.

    Preston Hollow Elementary 19% white, 66% hispanic, 13% black. 44% limited English. hmm, could these numbers reflect ideological differences? nahh, liberals are all talk.

    For what its worth my Hexter is 38% white, 35% hispanic, and 26% black. 16% limited English. Gotta love East Dallas!

  • Lakewooder

    Let me correct one thing - there was a small amount of busing INTO Lakewood Elementary for a few years. Nobody from the Woodrow cluster was bused anywhere, despite attempts to siphon off different races to fufill quotas at other schools. As far as I know we were the only ‘naturally integrated’ schools to fight and win. Lakewood parents even protested what would have been the loss of nearly all the African-Americans at Woodrow (which never went beyond 10%-20% in the first place) by moving them to Skyline and BA. The parents won that fight as well. I am proud of these white parents for doing something which is almost unheard of, even today.

  • Marty Cortland

    I’m Wick, remember? I’ve already said it.

  • Lakewooder

    And another - it’s “Phyrrhic” - as a DISD grad I have learned no mistakes are permitted in the Park Cities crowd because they will immediately point out that you went to inferior schools.

  • Lakewooder

    Wait that’s Pyrrhic - it’s been a long time since Mrs. Dunlap’s English class.

  • IttyBittyWussy

    @DeeRag– I have never been either a journalist or employed by Wick Allison. And I moved away from University Park years ago.

    But I do read what you write here and see the hate you have for Allison. It manifests itself in the nearly constant ad hominem attacks.

    I think my observations here are only somewhat different from the original idea behind “Ground the Jett.” Everyone is entitled to an opinion, including you of course. But a constant barrage of pejoratives about the person, while failing to address the merits (or lack of same) of his opinion, adds nothing to the debate and very quickly gets old.

  • DeeRag

    Wussy

    I reveal the truth in journalistic arrogance and I don’t expect it to be well recieved by media types. If it is getting old, I can, like most people on this blog do, come up with another name, or you could refrain from reading it. If you really read my post and the response. There is never an answer, and the question legit. So attack the messenger and deflect. I don’t hate Wick Allison. I think he has a huge platform in which to make his views known, and he does. The blogosphere allows those that have a different opinion to speak back.

    Do the postings that always agree with Wick Allison, and there are many, get “old”? Do they add to the “debate”? One might say your attacks on me don’t add to any debate and get a bit old.

    One can assume that the issue of racial diversity at D Magazine is a very touchy subject and is not to be questioned. Got it.
    (D)alllas, is enhanced by it’s by the varoius ethnic groups that inhabit it.

  • ericthegardener

    How many of D Magazine’s writers live in Dallas? You would think that all of them would. I mean the the “D” does stand for Dallas, doesn’t it?

  • IttyBittyWussy

    @DeeRag– You are welcome to continue this dialogue but further to my point it doesn’t have anything to do with the original topics of white flight, Barefoot Sanders or Jerry Buchmeyer. So please feel free to send it either to my private email address (ittybittywussy@gmail.com) or some other place where you/we can start a sub-thread about how evil Wick Allison is and/or how D Magazine is something more than a lifestyle product.

  • DeeRag

    Great! And would you swing by and replace my pool filter?

  • Trey Garrison

    ericthegardener — I think I’m the only D editor who doesn’t live in Dallas proper. Someone has to swim against the tide.

  • Five percenter (aka Dallas ISD Anglo parent)

    To ROJ, Save your St. Mark’s tuition outlay @ $20K per year for college days, nicer vacations or that home remodeling. Here’s a partial list of where recent graduates of W. T. White were admitted or are attending… and don’t rebut that it’s just one high school. There’s a SOC (South Oak Cliff) kid doing quite well at Yale.

    Boston University, Carnegie Mellon University, University of Chicago, Citadel Academy, Claremont McKenna College, Clemson University – National Scholar, Colorado School of Mines, Cornell University, University of Dallas, Dartmouth University, Franklin College-Switzerland, Georgetown University, Harvard University, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, University of North Carolina, Northwestern University, Princeton University, Rice University, University of Southern California, Southern Methodist University, Stanford University, Texas A&M University, Texas Christian University, University of Texas - McCombs, Tufts University, United States Military Academy at West Point, United States Naval Academy at Annapolis, Vanderbilt University, University of Virginia, Washington and Lee University, Washington University – St. Louis, Wellesley College, and Yale University.

  • Five percenter (aka Dallas ISD Anglo parent)

    ..and because at a Dallas ISD high school one can begin Advanced Placement courses as early as freshman year, there are kids who have entered college as 2nd semester sophomores due to their AP success and or dual enrollment with Brookhaven. That saves some $$ too.

  • Just Me

    If Woodrow is so great, why was it rated as academically unacceptable by the TEA?

  • Amy S

    There is a very in depth explanation about the Unacceptable rating at:

    http://backtalkeastdallas.type.....-fall.html

  • Pecos 45

    I love it when rich white guys with kids in private schools tell those of us earning a living what we should be doing.

  • Daniel

    Pecos 45,

    Take heart! In a year, it may be a rich black guy!

  • looker

    SB,Bubba et al i luv you man, you keep me in stiches by the old 70’s (or is it 40’s) bigotry and thinking. Bringing up the busing issue and going to school with Mexicans, what a hoot! – I bet your still gloating on your high school project where you helped at a lower income school for an afternoon.

    Busing in Dallas is over, disd is back to neighborhood schools. I don’t care what color or country the kids come from as long as they want to learn, they are welcome in schools. My kids are not social projects, they are educated top 5 (numeral not percent), passing many AP tests and doing quite well on college dean’s lists.

    The courts are finally out of the schools and current administration is weaning out the institutional bowl of ilk that was built over the last 30 years.

    I am sorry however, you chose to throw away over $300,000 for private schools, perhaps you’re experiencing buyer’s remorse for that experience?

    Before you throw me under the bus as a kum-bah-yah commune squatter, look to barry goldwater’s right and you will see my picture.

  • Five percenter (aka Dallas ISD Anglo parent)

    Hey Looker, Let’s remind these folks that in addition to loving Barry Goldwater, we also love Jesus who loves all children.

  • Amy S

    Hallelujah and Amen! Go Goldwater Republicans!

  • BacardiSilver

    To JustMe,
    Woodrow is great. It is academically unacceptable because of one student population and in one course area. Schools in Texas are rated based on 36 criteria. Woodrow has to meet 21 criteria. Woodrow met the marks in all but one - AA population in 10th grade science. In contrast, Woodrow has the highest gains in all other student population and all subject areas compared to any high school in the district. It was confusing to me at first to understand the nature of reconstitution but it is for the good of the school - to get rid of teachers who are not performing well.

    I believe the community support for Woodrow is very strong. Students from private schools are now transferring to Woodrow because of its strong AP program. Why do you think Becky Oliver - FOX 4 investigative reporter - send her child to Woodrow Wilson High School? Because she believes Woodrow is an exception of everything bad going on in a public high school.

  • Mojo Medford

    Earle Cabell was the guy who really desegregated Dallas. I have been told by many an old businessman, Hill staffers, the late Jake JJ Pickle the story of how Mayor Cabell called in the City’s restaurant and hotel owners and made it pretty clear what the consequences would be if they didn’t quietly let African Americans in. He basically told them they’d be getting spot health and safety inspections daily until they complied or the fines piled up to shut them down. Maybe it wasn’t the “I have a dream speech” but it started the sea change.

  • Tom

    Well I moved in the Lake Highlands
    area in the 1960’s as a child and have
    seen all the changes. It gradually got
    worse in the mid 1980’s and by then it was pretty bad in the 1990’s when most of those apartments that were built in the
    1960’s - 1970’s were not taken care of and just letting anyone live there for cheaper rent. The zoning and rules were changed by stupid judges who of course live in Highland Park. They were letting low income and low mentality families live there instead of single adult communities, especially off Skillman Road and near Park Lane before Greenville Ave. Those stupid judges then brought in more theft, drunks, violence, prostitution and drugs in the area where beautiful homes and parks exist and that is a fact. Now hopefully those stupid judges have retired or croaked, they are now rezoning certain areas and demolishing those infested apartments with new and nice community townhomes and houses along Skillman which will hopefully attract more businesses in the Lake Highlands area like CVS, LA Fitness and MiCocina instead of thugs just walking the streets.

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