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Let Me Say This About Valet Parking

I like Truluck’s, but I don’t like the fact that I have to pay $3 to have my car parked for me in an open lot next to the restaurant. OK, they aren’t the only guilty restaurant in town but I just happened to be there last night so they’re the peg for my rant. Restaurateur Shannon Wynne once said, “Any joint that requires you to pay for valet parking is ripping you off. If they’ll screw you in the parking lot, imagine what they’ll do inside.” I mean really. Why don’t restaurants absorb the cost of controlled parking and bury it someplace else? They have no problem charging $12 for a glass of wine poured from a bottle that retails for $24. I’m just saying. Now you.

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  • whatever

    Lucy & Avi shut up. Only someone with no class points to someone else & says they have no class. And really, a woman calling another woman a ****! Avi, I agree with RL. Clean up your yard.

  • Avi S. Adelman

    I don’t have to shut up because I have not said one crass thing here yet.

    There is only way way to answer the comments from people who think that Lower Greenville neighborhood residents should be seen (when drinking at their bars) and not heard (except when they order another round).

    I WILL have the last laugh – when Resident Parking Only takes out about a half-dozen neighborhood streets and nearly 500 parking spaces in front of our homes go buh-bye.

    Your patrons will be going to places like Addison, Victory Park and Uptown (well maybe not Trulucks).

    They will NOT be coming to Lower Greenville anymore.

  • whatever

    Not everyone who comes to Lower Greenville gets intoxicated & all bar & restaurant owners are not scum but your yard is an eyesore & a pig sty. Sorry pigs.

  • Avi S. Adelman

    Since I am pretty sure I know who Mr. Whatever is, I can make this statement …

    Since you do not have kids and with god’s help will never ever procreate your species, then you cannot even comprehend a simple fact…

    I have three kids and the front yard is their play area.

    If you don’t like it, then call 3-1-1 and file a complaint against me for a messy yard. While you are at it, go drive around the neighborhood and file complaints against everyone else who does not meet your standards.

    Oh, that’s right – you only drive through the neighborhood to find a parking space for your customers.

    Get over it. You will have enough to do when your customers start complaining all the streets in the neighborhood are being used by – gasp! – the residents and they are not allowed to park on them anymore.

    Of course, they will be saying that from inside their car as they drive past your bar on the way to Victory Park.

  • whatever

    It’s not Mr., it’s Ms. & I don’t own a bar. You are doing what you are most famous for. Jumping to conclusions & reporting them as facts. And as far as my children are concerned… They are very bright & well behaved. Sorry to disappoint.

  • James

    Seems like Avi should consider moving to Alma. there, no one will park in front of his yard, no one will see his yard(trash or toys) and there is not a bar or Valet in sight.

    Problem solved

  • Lucy

    whatever: Your comment to me is ridiculous. I don’t urinate in public. You want your kids seeing exposed genitals of some drunk lady while she relieves herself on the street? Oh, and the word I used did NOT start with a C. I bet yours did.
    “shut up” – LOL. Did you stamp your foot too? LOL.

  • RL

    As far as I know, you need 100% participation of residence to get RPO, correct? If so, you will NEVER get my street…

    Avi – let me ask you one general question. What do you think will happen to your property value if the bars/restaurants/entertainment district go away?

    If you are having a hard time answering, I will go ahead. It will drop – drastically.

  • Nancy

    You kids go fight in an alley somewhere else. This is a professional space for people discussing valet parking. To your rooms–Time Outs.

  • Avi S. Adelman

    Answer to RL

    The RPO ordinance is online here…

    “The petition must be signed by owners or occupants of two-thirds (note = 66%) of the residences and any business establishments abutting the side or sides of the street block or blocks for which the zone is requested. Only one signature per residence or business establishment is allowed on the petition.”

    This is called ‘democracy’

    A signature can come from the property owner or a tenant.

    If there are 12 dwellings (house, duplex half, etc), we need 8 signatures. If one of those houses is vacant, the number is still 8. If two are vacant, the number is 7.

    You can count dwellings on just the one side of the street you are RPO’ing,

    You count all the dwellings on both sides of the street if you want both sides RPO’d.

    If you have 24 dwellings, you need 15 signatures. If you have three vacancies, you need 14 signatures.

    If you live on a street within the BelmontNA boundaries, we will pay all RPO expenses PLUS buy two hang-tags for each dwelling for the first year (using the Arcadia Funds).

    BelmontNA map –

    As to what will happen to my property values, you make an assumption there is some kind of connection between the scummy businesses and the appraisal. Property values are increasing all over Dallas (Jim Schutze wrote a story about this once).

    But they are increasing more in areas that are close to downtown and still have tracts of land or nice homes for people who don’t want to commute to/from Plano.

    The DCAD has LOWERED the property values when the applicant has presented a list of the bars, crime reports etc to them (this has happened at least four times that I know of, and once for me).

    One Realtor told me RPO will probably increase the value (sales only) of individual homes since it provides a safety element to the property.

    If you live on a street within BelmontNA, give me the name and block number so I can survey the street. If you live on a side that has ONE SIDE NO PARKING, I will solicit your across the street neighbors for petitions.

    But I may not even bother to ask right now. I am working on streets closer to Greenville first, then moving into the neighborhood.

    I can RPO a block and push the cars to the next street – those residents will be begging for RPO in about a month.

  • Allen Gwinn

    The problem, in a nutshell, with valet parking is that it’s becoming excessively pervasive. Places I used to be able to go and park my car, I can no longer (or I have to hunt for parking on a side street somewhere).

    Further, when you are forced to use valet parking, you are forced to trust your vehicle to someone you don’t know–and there are no standards for who a valet company can employ.

    I would be for a “truth in advertising” ordinance that would require licenses for valets–and yank the licenses after a certain number of substantiated complaints, traffic or certain criminal violations.

    If you have had a car damaged, or possessions stolen by a valet, I’d love to hear from you at Dallas.Org.

  • V.R.

    It seems in general that more often than not people are always wanting to talk and or point out the negatives things in life and fail to mention the positive.

    Allen Gwinn at the same time that you are asking for the bad are you not going to ask about the good or atleast get a census of how many people actually use the service to get a more accurate count of the percentage of “bad”

  • brian

    went to Cafe San Miguel last night (a Thursday). Didn’t notice a valet at all, parked in their lot with no problem. Which is why I went on a Thursday, not on a weekend.

    I wonder why it’s so hard to understand why people are frustrated at paying a valet $5-10 to park in a lot that’s 20 feet away and has plenty of spaces? If you can’t provide me a place to park, I won’t come. I’m sure you don’t care, as plenty of Dallasites have more than enough money to throw away. To some of us working stiffs, $5 is not nothing.

  • Allen Gwinn

    “…are you not going to ask about the good…to get a more accurate count of the percentage of ‘bad’?”

    I am willing to cede that by the percentages, the “good” outweighs the “bad” noticeably.

    The same can be said of other comparisons such as aircraft accidents as a percentage of successful airline flights.

    Just as with accidents, it is important to examine the issues people have with valets when something does go wrong–and look to see if problems can be prevented in the future.

    Further, Dallas restaurants are required to maintain a certain number of “free” parking spaces. It seems contradictory to this to force folks to pay a valet to park their cars in these “free” spaces.

    Finally, given the number of people who don’t use valets on Lower Greenville (and some of the comments on this forum), there is likely a fair percentage of people who would rather valets not park their cars.

    This would probably be an apropos topic for discussion at the City.